Hotrodding the GS

Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by Poolside, Nov 18, 2010.

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  1. slowoldguy

    slowoldguy Tire Tester

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    Well, I don't have to worry about losing the jumper . I don't know where the damn thing is. :confused
  2. johnjen

    johnjen I've Been Resigned

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    If you lose the jumper there are 3 options
    Run the bike in 'limp home mode' until you get another jumper.
    or
    Bend one of the outside jumpers (I'd do the 0º offset jumper myself) into the center jumper so that they touch. (which is functionally the same as the next option) Then push it out of the way when you get another jumper.
    or
    Unplug the IICE Air and run the stock air temp sensor until you get another jumper.

    JJ :evil
  3. Spoke

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    Oh come on sog, lift open the lid and look.

    Johnjen said "If you lose the jumper there are 3 options
    Run the bike in 'limp home mode' until you get another jumper.
    or
    Bend one of the outside jumpers (I'd do the 0º offset jumper myself) into the center jumper so that they touch. (which is functionally the same as the next option) Then push it out of the way when you get another jumper.
    or
    Unplug the IICE Air and run the stock air temp sensor until you get another jumper."

    I like option 4:D, bring a spare jumper.

    I have put about 250 miles on the ICEE Air over the last few days. Ambient temps ranging from 22-65 degrees Fahrenheit. I've been messing around with the jumper and realized that the little booger could get lost when removing and replacing it. I'm putting together a subjective, seat of the pants, no dyno:D, no variable control, and no scientific method used review and will post it tomorrow after work. I can hardly wait!
  4. slowoldguy

    slowoldguy Tire Tester

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    Does it take tools? They don't let me have tools. Maybe I could use a stick.
  5. Poolside

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    <table border="0" cellpadding="5" width="650"><tr><td>JJ and I both thought that bending the pins was a possible option if for some reason the jumper gets away from you. But yesterday I tried bending the pins together, just to see what would happen. Here's what I discovered...

    DO NOT PURPOSELY BEND THE JUMPER PINS, for a couple of reasons.

    First, it doesn't work. You can bend the two pins together until they touch, but as soon as you let go of the pins they'll spring apart a little. They will not remain in contact because of that 'springback'.

    Second, the pins cannot be bent back straight, there will be a little 'waviness' to the pin from being bent and straightened. In addition, the spacing between the pins must be fairly exact. Because of those two things the jumper may not make good contact.

    The third point is sort of moot. If you do not use smooth jaw pliers, the surface of the pins will be damaged and will subsequently damage the jumper. But you're not supposed to be bending the pins in the first place. :D

    I suppose there's a good thing in the mix. If you bend the pins you'll have to buy another IICE Air. Marketing will like that. :lol3

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  6. Poolside

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    <table border="0" cellpadding="5" width="650"><tr><td>If you happen to lose the jumper, and don't know what to do, any of these things below will work as a temporary solution. I'm thinking it would be best to start at the top.

    1. BE PROACTIVE! Get some jumpers from your IT Department at work, and keep them on the bike. NOTE: The jumper that comes with the IICE Air has a little tab on it to make it easier to hold. The jumper you get from IT or Radio Shack will probably not have the tab, it will work fine.

    2. Just ride the bike home without the jumper. Or ride to Radio Shack or a computer store and get some jumpers.

    3. Reconnect the Intake Air Temperature sensor.

    4. Just leave the IICE Air adjusted to the -20° setting. It works great at the -20° setting. It leaves here set to -20°. And really, the primary reason for the adjustment in the first place was so that it will work with the upcoming IICE Cool. The IICE Air needs to be set to -10° to work with the future IICE Cool product.

    5. Tie a short piece of fishing line or unwaxed dental floss unwaxed to the jumper as a sort of leash. Did I mention to use unwaxed dental floss? Do not use waxed dental floss, the wax will contaminate the pins. If you try the leash method, be sure the leash isn't trapped under the cap seal when you snap the lid closed.

    6. Someone shared the idea to make a temporary jumper out of tin foil. It might be tricky to get the foil in there and only contact 2 pins, but it would work, and there's no reason not to try. But really, for the best solution try to stay near the top of the list. :D

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  7. Poolside

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    Yes it will. And see the above 2 posts for more ideas.


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  8. Plane Dr

    Plane Dr Been here awhile

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    Go figure Marketing suggested bending the pins. :rofl
  9. Poolside

    Poolside Syndicated

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    Oh no, I did not mean to imply, or even hint at anything. Just making a little joke.
    I put a smiley in there and everything. :freaky

    Seriously, we both thought bending the pins seemed viable, until I tried it that is.


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  10. Plane Dr

    Plane Dr Been here awhile

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    Thats why I laughed!
  11. JRWooden

    JRWooden Long timer

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    Poolside:
    I think this is the correct thread in which to ask ....
    I have read the materials and understand that IICE Air "tricks" the air temp. sensor, while IICE Cool will trick the oil/coolant temp. sensor and each provide different improvements to engine function.

    Q1) I'm wondering first why they both don't provide a "general" improvement rather than segregated....
    Is that just the way BMW programmed the ECU, and that while there is some "overlap" that the functions are "mostly" as shown in your chart?

    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14632057&postcount=146

    Q2) I think you said taht the IICE Air will give about 1/3 of the total improvement, while the IICE Cool will give 2/3rds.
    Why is that ... more German ECU magic? :lol3

    Thanks!
  12. Codewheeney

    Codewheeney Hoopy Frood

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    IICECool question:

    I assume that the IICECool will do something similar to the oil temperature sensor reading as the air does to the air temperature sensor. If my assumption is correct, will this adjustment be seen on the RID?

    JC
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All service on bike is up to date. The bike has a Remus header, no cat, and stock muffler. I have been running the bike with the Accelerator Module(AM) ever since the Remus install. My bike runs well and I did not have any tuning issues that I hoped would be corrected with the ICEE Air. This review is based on about 275 miles of riding at elevations of about 1000' to 1300' and ambient temps from 23 degrees to 65 degrees Fahrenheit.


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The daily temps were ranging from 23 degrees to 37 degrees. I initially changed the factory setting from 20 degrees offset to 30 degrees offset due to the low ambient temp of the install day. I rode that day and the bike performed what felt like the same compared to the AM. The next couple of days warmed and the temps were between 37 degrees to 55 degrees. I started to feel a difference. ICEE Air was still set at 30 degrees offset. I noticed an improvement at throttle tip in when lugging the bike. When rolling through corners in third gear at around 2000 rpms and as I roll on the throttle and ask the engine to pull moderately at low rpms I feel like the engine pulls stronger and smoother during this throttle roll on at low rpms. I also smelled what to me was a richer mixture when idling. The change is very subtle but I feel the roll on is smoother and has more authority. At 65 degrees I changed the offset to 20. The bike is running well and I’m happy. I can’t say that the ICEE Air has added to my grin factor but it isn’t hurting the performance and I like the adjustability. The logic is sound with regards to temp offset causing the ECU to add additional fuel and my subjective feel says it works. YMMV.[/FONT]
  14. johnjen

    johnjen I've Been Resigned

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    DId you notice any differences between the IICE Air and the AM at the very cold temps?

    JJ
  15. Spoke

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    Not really that I could feel. I believe the biggest difference came when running with the 30 degree offset at high 40s to low 50s. I believe the mixture was richer. I would like to run the bike at the 30 degree offset for a while and then pull the plugs and see if visually they are displaying a richer mixture. My plugs in the past with the AM are ashy white and too lean a color for my liking, though the bike does run well. Maybe I'm old school but white plugs aren't my cup of tea. I prefer tan.
  16. jadoca

    jadoca Adventurer

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    I moved from 20 to 30 yesterday in upper 40 degree temps and the result was even sweeter yet. 09 1200GS with after market can only.
  17. Wallowa

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    JJ,<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>
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    How about the other way around, high temps and purposefully running it for a rich F/A. My concern and issue has been all my slow speed crawling off road in high temps with little or no air flow. I want a rich mixture to cool down the combustion temps. Smooth slow speed throttle response is a close second for my off road dances. Bike already has all the beans I need and torque to spare.<o:p></o:p>
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    It is late and my thinking is murky but will the "Cool" assist the "ICE" in accomplishing my objectives? Settings? <o:p></o:p>
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    As previously stated my Booster Plug smoothes out the throttle, but I can't tell if it holds down the engine temps. It should.<o:p></o:p>
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    You and PS have really stepped up and delivered a useful product; thanks.<o:p></o:p>
  18. kbasa

    kbasa Roubaix! Super Moderator

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    Drivability improvements can be helpful to good riding and have value.
  19. johnjen

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    The way the IICE Air works is to use different 'maps' within the EFI that correspond to cooler intake air temperatures. This in turn makes those algorithms that use the air temp as an input, use more fuel (run richer). So if you want to run the engine richer all of the time continue to use the -20º offset even if the air temp goes into the 'hot' zone, and see what happens. It may just be that simple.

    As for the IICE Cool it changes the input to the EFI which is used in a different set of algorithms that functionally sit 'beside' those that the IICE Air influences (see the graph). They work together in such a way that they sorta overlap in a functional way, this is why the -10º setting is available in the IICE Air. This 'overlap' makes the mixture richer over a broader set of operating conditions than either will do separately, which is a bit misleading because the IICE Cool REQUIRES the IICE Air to function properly.

    But it should be kept in mind that running a richer AFR isn't the primary function of these devices.
    Driveability is.

    And driveability is about throttle response, and engine control, with a consequential increase in power and an increase in feedback to the rider via the throttle. Put another way IICE Air & IICE Cool provide a significant reduction in the vagueness of the response from the engine, when the throttle is twisted.

    JJ
  20. Poolside

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    <table border="0" cellpadding="5" width="650"><tr><td>Let me correct that phrase, because it's misleading. The IICE Air does not make the motor run richer all of the time. It only makes it run richer during acceleration.
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    <table border="0" cellpadding="5" width="650"><tr><td>Yes. And the two operating conditions that JJ refers to are during acceleration (IICE Air), and during throttle tip-in (IICE Cool.) The IICE Air does one, the IICE Cool does the other.
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    <table border="0" cellpadding="5" width="650"><tr><td>That one is right on the money. Not only is "running richer all of the time" not the primary objective of these devices. The two devices aren't capable of doing that in the first place.

    There are ways to make the motor run richer all the time, but that would not produce anything. The motor would use more fuel all the time, but you wouldn't feel anything.

    If you want to feel it where it counts, get the motor to run richer during acceleration, and richer during throttle tip-in transitions.

    Those are the domains of the IICE Air and the IICE Cool. Which is summed up nicely below.</td></tr></table>
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