How do HD clubs pick their "road captains?" (rantish)

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by LuciferMutt, Mar 13, 2011.

  1. tbirdsp

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    You basically said you see no problem with a formation of 30 bikes riding together. That's just wrong, no matter what you ride. I sometimes lead groups but if we get more than 10 or so we split it up.
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  2. bimmerx2

    bimmerx2 Been here awhile

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    To understand the reasons you just have to understand the goal... It's all about being a pain in everyone elses ass. The whole deal is to pretend to be a Hell's Angel, nothing more and nothing less.

    I have plenty of HD riding friends and while most riders talk about things they've seen or places they've been the HD guys lace it with talk about how cool it was when they did something to piss someone (usually a lot of someones) off. The odd part is that once they get out of their HD persona these folks wouldn't do the things they do when "in costume".

    Part of the fun of the motorcycle culture is the escape into that alternate reality. When I ride my BMW I wear the technical gear, take on more 'adventuresome' rides, etc. On my CBR's I wear race inspired gear and don't have any of my electronic gizmos. On the BMW I play the adventurer, the sportbikes I play road racer (but ride the streets like a granny). HD guys go out and play "bad boy". Unfortunately playing bad boy normally includes being an ass somewhere along the line.

    Any of those things can be taken to extremes and ALL motorcyclists end up paying the price when any group over acts.
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  3. tbirdsp

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    I agree with this too. I once was active duty military, now am a veteran - and a civilian.
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  4. LuciferMutt

    LuciferMutt Rides slow bike slow

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    Dude the only person making this about HDs is you. Give it a rest. This is about assholes who think they own the road and won't let traffic flow.
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  5. Ceri JC

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    +1

    It'd be equally annoying if it was 30 cocks on sportsbikes doing it.
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  6. xKLR_John

    xKLR_John Been here awhile

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    Think about this a little more. Who exactly is wanting to "push to the front of the line" in this situation?

    Yes, big packs of pokes are annoying but you control your response to the situation. Pull over and take a piss/snack/drink/photo break. Pass. Ride along slowly and take it as an opportunity to stand up, stretch, and enjoy the scenery a bit more. Getting angry about it is a waste of your time and energy. Yes, it's frustrating to get stuck behind RVs, dump trucks, etc.... but that's life. You can't control the obstacles that come your way, but you can control how you handle them.


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  7. Josephvman

    Josephvman I'm the Decider

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    I do this all the time, and don't really see an issue with it.

    My Sunday morning ride routine is to a little breakfast spot around fifty miles west of Houston, in Bellville. The last road in is around fifteen miles, a nicely-paved fast stretch with a few nice long sweepers, and often has decent motorcycle traffic. I like to ride it at a moderately fast pace, and usually pass at least a few bikes and cars along the way, and occasionally get passed by someone riding faster than I am. It's not uncommon to have to pick my way through a group of cruisers, and then have to sit at a table next to them later, and catch the occasional glare. Just because we've got the same destination it doesn't mean that I have to ride at their pace. HD riders don't have a lock on motorcycle dickery, but in my experience many of them have managed to elevate it to an art form when on group rides.
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  8. crash228

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    i agree with what some of the other posters have said here - and that a group of bikes that large (regardless of manufacturer) is generally a bad idea. Perhaps these "road captains" could exercise better judgement when forming the group(s) for their Sunday rides.

    there is definitely a stigma that goes along w/ riding a Harley. i have quite a few friends who ride Harleys that are exceptions to the stereotype - who don't ride in groups, don't have to wear something that says "Harley-Davidson" on it, who barely wave to other Harley riders as a matter of principle. these guys like to think of themselves as guys who just like to ride and put in long hours on long trips doing so - and make fun of the other Harley guys who get together in groups of 30 or more to ride 10 miles to the bar on Sunday afternoons.

    in short - don't judge a rider by what they ride, but by their actions, either singularly or as a group. and - if you're a "cool" rider in a group where their behavior or actions might be "uncool", it's your responsibility to speak up to try and change things, or make a statement by not riding with them in the future (and let them know why).

    my 2¢
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  9. Some Mook

    Some Mook Goin' Down Slow

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    The analogy was pertaining to rude behavior.

    Someone posted to the effect "a little inconvenienced, why do people get upset over it" sic

    My analogy was that people get upset when they feel they are being treated rudely, or when the actions of others give them the impression that they are considered unworthy of respect by the others. Specifically the situation that occurs, not so much when a group is going slower than traffic flow should / could be flowing, but when members of the group actively try to control and/or prevent actions of people who are not within the group.


    What I wonder is if the large group mentality precludes respectful consideration of others, sort of a "might makes right" kind of group-think, or if the people who engage in this activity have never really given consideration to this at all.

    True motor "gangs" obviously don't really give a shit about anyone not within their group. But then the true 1%'s pretty much know how to ride at speed, and while they have a designated leadership hierarchy, they are probably not in the habit of needing to designate "Road Captains" to ride herd over them.

    I may be completely off base, but I feel that the groups of riders that were mostly in question in the original post were more of the "poser" types, with widely disparate riding skills and abilities. I suspect that these types of individuals are probably, for the most part, normally cognicent of other peoples privileges.
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  10. Meriden

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    Talk about the real scurge of the rural byways, bicycles. I was making the Fayetteville, Frelsburg, New Ulm, Sealy run last Sunday and passed too many people in identical glittering spandex riding four abreast. Looked like the Tour de France without the multi bike crashes. Even the cars with bikes on the back were going under 30. I must have crossed the double yellow ten times.

    Of course I'm on a big dual sport going 65 so the sport bike guys are blowing by me. And everybody waved except that one guy with the coal scuttle helmet and the guys on the Cannondales.
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  11. DAKEZ

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    "How do HD clubs pick their "road captains?" (rantish)" :amazon
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  12. dwoodward

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    A long time ago, someone realized more than one bike was safer, and the rules of group riding were born. The problem is that people read the first part, but stop there and don't read the part that says "if you have more than some number bikes, split into multiple groups."

    "Some number" is usually 6-10.

    In this case they could have had three groups of 10 bikes, named three sweep riders, and DND would have grumbled about it a little then gone on his way.

    As for picking on cruisers- I won't name a brand- they violate the group riding rules above. And they have riders of differing skill, which tends to slow down the group (the whole group, not just a sub-group with weake... sorry, differently skilled, riders). Then they find it's easier to stay to the left, so they violate the rules of the road.

    If you ride a cruiser, recognize that quite a lot of people who ride lots are disdainful of people who buy a motorcycle as a lifestyle accessory- and the brand everyone loves to pick not only capitalizes on that, they've made their name doing it.

    Not a 3-piece patch club, no. Harley Owner's Group, STAR, CMA even, quite probably. Although I'll note that the Brothers Speed did a fine demonstration of why proper spacing is a Good Thing(tm) a couple years ago.

    Pepsi? You can have mine. Coke Zero, thanks. Though I'm more likely to wait until I'm done riding for the day and find an interesting beer.
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  13. Josephvman

    Josephvman I'm the Decider

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    The bikes are bad out there, and I ran across a big group on 529 Sunday, spilling across the center line when there were no cars coming in the other lane. My policy is to honk before I pass and make sure I've got their attention. If they think I'm a dick, so be it, but I'd rather they think I'm a dick than to try to pass a group of them and have one of them jump in front of me.
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  14. Tall Man

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    With respect to owning a Harley and living in Reading, I'd have thought you'd have an easier time with it. Berks County has had a decades-long love affair with Corvettes and Harleys. Especially the former.
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    no one else is gonna know how cool you are if you ride by yourself. it's groupthink self-adulation.
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  16. Disco Stu

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    Why are you certain that he planned to pull over a few miles up the road at the time he passed you? Maybe something came up. Maybe he was in a big freakin hurry because he had diarrhea and didn't want to shat in his riding pants.
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  17. Disco Stu

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    you need to figure out who you are and learn to be happy with it. riding a motorcycle is just a really fun, interactive way of getting somewhere, not a therapy session for your personal disfunctions or a license to act out your fantasies.
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  18. Disco Stu

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    I am not advocating violence here, but if you're out riding with the intent to piss some one off, don't go crying to anyone except the closest mirror when someone does get pissed off and retaliates.
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  19. RNYC

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    No.

    Maybe if you lose the goatee.

    Eh, nah.

    :moon

    I'm kidding, of course. As I was with the spelling - though that's just kind of sad...
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  20. Tall Man

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