Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by Elusion, Oct 19, 2013.

1. ### bobnoxious67Baby steps...

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So if we both head out for a dual sport ride together, both ride the road for 1/2 hr at 60mph, both hit the trail head for a 10 mile loop, and it takes you 1.5 hrs off road while I complete the same loop in a 1/2 hr...you did a 75%dirt-25% road day while I did a 50%dirt-50%road day...?

2. ### kwisnOne Happy Dog

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What if we ride different loops but similar miles. Mine takes 3 hrs. to go 10 miles. How does that figure into your argument?

(and no, it's not because I keep falling down.)
3. ### bobnoxious67Baby steps...

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Time is irrelevant...distance is distance, and the only part of the equation that makes a difference. Time is a variable that is deeply influenced by rider ability and bike ability.

If we do as you think, and base % on time in woods vs. time on road, I could ride 90 road miles and 10 dirt miles and still have a 10% road/90% dirt day just because I never took my bike out of 1st gear, and rode the dirt with my feet paddling all day.

Or I could ride with a buddy all day...same roads and trails...I finish quicker, so his % of dirt riding is higher?? Nope, he just rode slower...but the amount of dirt/road was the same for both of us.
4. ### Bill-66Hencho in Kansas

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Should probably just go by post count...I mean..if we're having a dick measuring contest anyway...

5. ### GoUglyEarlyBoots Still Clean

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I didn't know John Galt rode a motorcycle.

Does this new equation factor in gearing ratios, oil viscosity and testicular fortitude? Do I need a power commander to get these stats?

Based on the fact that I ride off-road alone, in the sand, with incredibly little skill and even less talent, I am going to factor that my off-road time is about 99% according to your equation, once you factor in risk and pure awesome.

The rest of the time on the street is downgraded because it is shared with the same space as SUVs and minivans.

The time you spent in your example, riding with your buddy or with monolithic levels of self-described ability actually factor less than my time, because riding with a safety buddy is for wimps and the chances of me breaking my appendix in a fiery crash are exponentially higher and therefore more worthy of attracting chicks.

Where do chicks factor into your equation?
6. ### Maggot12U'mmmm yeaah!!

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I consider off road the same as off pavement. I just sold a very nice sport tourer in a CBF1000 because I took it camping many times and went down several kms of dirt roads that I wish the bike had not seen.

So, I'm thinking of a more off road capable bike will be my next. By the way, I ride about 300kms to get to a campsite thats on 5 kms of dirt road.

7. ### Wraith RiderBanned

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Inflicted wear instead of miles or time. Dirt worth of 1 service + pavement worth of 1 service means 50% OffRoad riding.
8. ### GlennRPlayin' in the Fire

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IMO,

The off-road riding that I prefer often requires a saw, and new knobbies.

If you're "unsure" whether what you are riding should be considered "off-road" or not, it's Not.

I generally consider "logging roads" to be off-road, especially after a season or two of erosion.

There are a few un-maintained state roads around here, which are on maps, that are 4wd roads and do require a chainsaw at times. One that comes to mind is "White Oak Rd" near Watauga Lake, just off Hwy 321 in TN.
9. ### windmillLong timer

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"off road" = a route that requires additional traction and/or clearance than a normal street vehicle possess?

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Only two places the %'s matter:

1. Bike setup -- where do you want it to perform.

2. Trying to let everyone on the thread know how "Hard Core" you are.

I just picked up a 990R that I'm setting up to be a big dirt bike, but..... I'll be lucky to get 50/50 for mileage. It's 70 miles to get to good dirt local or 130+ for Baja

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11. ### birdsBeen here awhile

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I'm occasional % off road. That't how I define it. What are we defining this for, again?
12. ### GlennRPlayin' in the Fire

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I think so we'll know which tires to chose? Or how much beer to carry.
13. ### henshaoBained

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The real question is, how well does a car tire do off-road.

14. ### randyoLong timer

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terrible as far as the handling, but excellent traction

looking back, less than 1% of my riding is off road, but % doesn't tell the story, with 135k on my SV650, I still have over 1000 miles of off road

15. ### G54BSuper gumby

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100% of my riding is offroad, or so damn close as makes no difference.
I live on 1,200 acres, have access to 5,000, and am right next door to 15-20,000ac of state forest.
Don't currently own a registered bike, in fact my IT250 and XL100 are the only running bikes I own, so riding the 800m or so up the main road to get to the rest of said 5,000ac is as much road riding as I do.
I don't count farm tracks, single track and firetrails as road.
16. ### minimotos95Couldn't stay away from motorcycles.....

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i have always went by mileage, i don't pay attention to the time or how long i ride i just go when i want and wrap up when i'm sore, bored, low on gas or it's starting to get too muddy so i have no clue by time spent.
i think it needs to be a 3 part thing.
by miles i think i am at 15% offroad, 30% unpaved, 55% on road.

i consider offroad anything that's narrower then 1.5 cars and rougher then ophir pass. unpaved and on road are self explanatory
17. ### GlennRPlayin' in the Fire

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Then my driveway counts as off-road.

(Don't tell my wife or she'll be asking for a 4wd car!)
18. ### deacon51Been here awhile

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Jumping in at the end here...

How much dirt do I ride?
When asked that I say 5 or 10%.
It's not millage, or time but fun....
5 or 10% of the fun I have riding is on dirt.
Some rides are big fun, some are a little fun, some are just kinda fun and a few are no fun at all, but still beat a cage.