How does one define better handling ?

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by randyo, Mar 12, 2014.

  1. randyo

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    flickability?
    stability ?
    ride ?
    traction?
    effort ?

    me thinks it means many different things depending on who you are talking to and what type of riding
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  2. SteelJM1

    SteelJM1 Undercover KTM rider

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    Pretty much.

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  3. randyo

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    melt ? we're getting another foot and a half tonite
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    Good handling?

    Neutral feel, good communication but still vocal to the conditions, and stable.
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    chippertheripper motorcycle junkie

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    Motard. That's how you define it.
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    Valker Been here awhile

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  7. tkent02

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    When I come out of a bumpy corner, maybe an off camber one that tightens up late, the bike is pretty much where I had planned on it being, with little to no corrections made along the way. Does exactly what I was thinking at the time. Does it effortlessly, quickly, with no arguement about it. Accurately. And makes me want to do it again. And again. Sure some types of bikes need more stability, some need more flick ability, whatever the purose of this particular motorcycle, The difference between a bike that handles like a turd and one that handles great is obvious once you are riding.
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  8. FotoTEX

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    A BMW GS has all those qualities and more.
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  9. eatpasta

    eatpasta Lawnmower Target

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    Its completely subjective. Hell, some people put car tires on their bikes and say they handle fine

    :dunno

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  10. Maggot12

    Maggot12 U'mmmm yeaah!!

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    My thoughts are flickability and effort. Going from a CBF1000 to FJR1300 both are sport tourers and have nearly identical measurements from pegs to seat to handlebars. The CBF is easier to move as it's 140lbs lighter but less stable for the same reasons.
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    car tires handle just fine
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  14. eatpasta

    eatpasta Lawnmower Target

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    yup. some people say that
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    You know the op is the spokesperson for studded blizzaks on a bike, right?
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    simple, ride a stock bike, then back-to-back ride the same make/model that has upgraded suspension
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  17. oldschoolsk8ter

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    When speaking of "handling" other terms commonly used are "maneuverability" and stability.

    Maneuverability,Handling : describe the motorcycles ability to perform complex maneuvers and also how hard it is for the rider to perform them.

    Stability: Is the motorcycles ability to maintain equilibrium to outside forces.

    How do we define these aspects? Well things start to get a little varied depending on whom you talk to. But there are certain tests that are somewhat universal in nature between companies.

    1) Steady Turning Test: Basically you will ride around a cone in a circle or some known mark at a steady speed. steering effort can be gauged to see how "easily" the vehicle follows the intended trajectory and what input is needed from the rider to maintain course. Measured values are steering torque and driver lean angles. Radius of curvature and speed are maintained.

    2) U Turn Test: Just a the title states, This test will set up a "U' corner of known radius. Steering torque is measured to see what inputs it takes to lean a motorcycle from the vertical position. A highly maneuverable bike will take little torque to roll and also to upright. The roll accelerations can also be measured.

    3) Slalom Testing:: Again as it sounds the motorcycle is put through a series of cones or marks in a slalom condition. Steering torques, roll accelerations and yaw acceleration can all be gathered to determine the bikes ability to change course quickly with minimal input.

    Other tests that frequently come up are obstacle avoidance testing and additionally lane change maneuvers, again similar data is gathered for roll and yaw accelerations and torque inputs required to execute these maneuvers.

    I know, Too long didn't read:D

    This is how I have evaluated vehicle handling working as an engineer.
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  18. oldschoolsk8ter

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    ohh i forgot to add that a very concise book about any of this is called,

    Motorcycle Dynamics by Vittore Cossalter. This has been my "desk reference" for the last couple years.:1drink
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  19. joexr

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    You should try actually riding sometime.:deal
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  20. Bollocks

    Bollocks Farts with an Accentâ„¢

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    If you can hold a beer and not spill to much I would say that waz good handling.:*sip*
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