How long will a 990adv last???

Discussion in 'Crazy-Awesome almost Dakar racers (950/990cc)' started by dwj - Donnie, May 20, 2013.

  1. Misery Goat

    Misery Goat Positating the negative Super Moderator

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    How can it be an adventure moto and see very little off road? :lol3

    Seriously, I think you're over thinking this. Do the scheduled maintenance and service the wear items and there's no reason you won't see well over 100k miles. Plenty of folks here have turned over 100K miles on 950s/990s. Of the bikes you've listed I'd put my money on the 990 any day.
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  2. ColoradoBigfoot

    ColoradoBigfoot Been here awhile

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    40K miles each of the last 10 years?
    I call BS....or you have a really long commute and you never take a day off (40k/365=109.58 miles a day).
    I would also find an answer like "I don't need to work" suspect as well.
    Smart, sucessful people don't have to ask goofy questions like how long will a bike last. :puke1
    Yeh, this post brought out my inner grumpiness. I mean come on, don't you think this mileage total is a little over the top?
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  3. dwj - Donnie

    dwj - Donnie Long timer

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    :rofl:rofl:rofl You know, before you start suggesting someone is a liar, you should at least check their Profile, maybe see if they have done any Ride Reports. No, I did not ride 40,000 miles, each of the last two years. I rode 51,091 miles in 2011 and 37,992 miles in 2012. :deal The high during the last ten years was 52,000 and the low was 32,000 miles.

    No, I don't need to work. :D Over 32 years in the tire and tube manufacturing business with jobs spanning janitor work to General Plant Manager along the way. It may also be a lie, but I think I earned a MBA. :D Most importantly, good retirement benefits along with the intellect to invest and capitalize on the stock market worked to my advantage. I am not "rich" by my standards, but I am comfortable. :deal

    There are riders with a lot more miles than me. :deal But I have rode a fair amount. Since I came home in April I sold a Goldwing with 242,000 miles that I purchased new. A KLR with 87,000 miles that I purchased with 840 miles on it. A KLX250S with, I believe 8,100 that I purchased with 1,503 miles, and I just sold a R1100GS with 103,000 on the odometer and 7,000 documented with a GPS while the speedo cable was broken. It had 28,000 on it when purchased. What about you? Have you been riding any? :huh

    Given that I have only read of a few 950/990s with more than 40,000 miles on them and given how much I ride, I think the question is very reasonable. :deal I did not originally purchase this moto to be my only bike and was not intending on it being a 40,000 mile per year moto. But, I did not plan on my wife of 38 years dying, nor did I plan on selling my house and living on the road.

    I don't feel any reason to justify a damn thing to you, but if you are curious, check out some of these Ride Reports:

    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=876310

    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=802682

    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=596373

    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=767492

    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=750875

    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=615106

    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=708584

    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=650267

    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=729277

    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=392321

    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=466441

    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=550086

    You might not want to be quite as quick to openly question someone's honesty on a public forum, you just might make an ass of yourself. :evil But, if you come down to Mississippi before I leave, we can go riding! :deal

    Other than when I lived in Texas and worked in Mexico, where I occasionally rode my moto to work, I have very rarely used the motos to commute to work.
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  4. jon6.0

    jon6.0 Been here awhile

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    Somebody just done got told, lol. I've done 7k miles in two weeks, so 40k a year with lots of time off/retired is entirely reasonable.
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  5. dysan

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    I've got a 950 with 45k on it and got it with about 18k on it. It's already had all the engine mods and the bulk of Pyndon knowledge put into it. The engine was rebuilt by him after some fuel confusion by the previous owner.

    It's had a fairly hard life whilst in my ownership with off road tours of Morocco and competitions in the UK

    The only time it's let me down is when the believed to be indestructible facet pump I fitted gave up and I didn't have a spare with me. Swapped back to the KTM one as at least you can normally make it get you home.

    I think key thing with these motors is to keep on top of the maintenance, neglect it and you'll pay.

    Chassis wise, not much goes wrong, even when heavily abused. Stick with KTM bearings as they seem to last much longer than other makes.

    That's what I've learned in two years.
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  6. ColoradoBigfoot

    ColoradoBigfoot Been here awhile

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    7k in two weeks is not 40k average for 10 years.
    I'm fully aware poeple can rack up a lot of miles on their bikes, that's not my beef. In this case it just seams there are too many bikes, too many miles in too short of time that's all. Won't be the first time, nor the last, I've been wrong though.
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  7. dwj - Donnie

    dwj - Donnie Long timer

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    Maybe the fellow was just having a bad day! :D

    I need something that will do 150,000 miles of Adventure Touring with a lot of 60MPH to 90MPH cruising, millions of speed bumps, but not much off road. I also need something that aside from maintenance, I can depend on. South America and an Around the World trip are definitely in my plans. I am OK with carrying a few spares, but I don't want any major down time or engine over-hauls.

    Unless and until my riding needs change, I will be looking to change motos, not necessarily brands, as they approach that amount of miles that a major rebuild might be necessary.
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  8. dwj - Donnie

    dwj - Donnie Long timer

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    What is your beef? I ride more than you? :rofl

    Let me really mess with your head then! :evil Most of the last ten years, I have been retired. Actually all except for four months, not including this year. I ALSO RODE 40,000 MILES PER YEAR ON AVERAGE the five or six years before I retired. :deal:D The difference between now and then, is then it was mostly highway miles on Goldwings and now it is more south of the border and Canada/Alaska on Adventure Motos. My late wife and I did 10,000 miles in fifteen days once. Why? Because we wanted to do the four corners of the US and I had sixteen day off work. I laid the trip out to have one spare day. I guess we cheated a bit, we were just short of the 10,000 mile mark upon returning home, so we rode around a bit and timed it so we turned over 10,000 miles about 200 yards from our home.

    BTW, the more you ride does not make you more of a motorcyclist! It simply means that you ride more. :deal
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  9. dwj - Donnie

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    I have a confession to make, I did some research! :huh I have not averaged 40,000 miles per year for ten years, it has actually been 14 years! :rofl

    Seriously, I don't know about other folks, but the first 25 plus years that I rode motorcycles I only accumulated about 75,000 miles on motos. Work, going to college while I worked, raising a daughter with my wife, and starting up manufacturing facilities occupied my time. By 1997, our daughter was out of college and married. I bought a 1997 Kawasaki Concurs. :D Ten months and 28,000 miles later we traded it in on a 1998 Goldwing. We were finally traveling the US as we had always planned after our daughter was on her own. Four and a half years later the 98 Goldwing with 172,000 miles was traded for a 2002 Goldwing. Then the KLR, R1100GS, KLX, and KTM followed.

    I already had the plans for my wife and I to do Central and South America, followed by Europe.
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  10. 1stiski

    1stiski Ride that nasty thing

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    My 04 will endure . I'm hoping that it will one day hit the 100,000 mark with only regular maintiance and some usual wear items. So far, a rebuilt water pump , oil pressure sensor, molded oil pipe / valve and Oberon clutch upgrade has happened. Pretty darn good . On my next valve check I'll be upgrading the oil pressure bypass valve and checking all my hoses and fuel lines for faults.

    My guess on doing high miles yearly will not be an issue for you. I think the worst thing you can do to a bike is let it sit., seems thats when running issues happen.
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  11. dwj - Donnie

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    I hope that you do! :D

    I read all of Pydon's thread on his moto. While I am not too impressed with the total engine over haul including the crank-cases being replaced, it seems that most of the faulty issues have been addressed by KTM during the preceding years, including some dowels that may eliminate the reason his cases were replaced. I guess the problem from my perspective is that not many of these motos are used as Adventure Tourers, which is how I will use mine. There is no doubt that I will be adding miles pretty quickly, or I will when I sell my house! :rofl Maybe I will answer my own question, of course one moto whether it has a good experience or bad, does not establish an average or an expected life span. I really like my KTM and if it performs to my expectation as an acceptable tool, it will get replaced by another KTM. They havetubelesss wheels now and all kinds of electronic aids, if they can just get one of those eight plus gallon gas tanks, I will be very happy! :D
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  12. woodchuckexc

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    The only thing I would recommend is going back to the stock paper oil filter. I say this because its a great way to tell when your water pump seal is starting to fail. Carry your stainless one as a back up to get you to an area where you can rebuild the water pump. IMO these motors are solid.
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  13. dwj - Donnie

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    I have heard other people say water in the oil is the reason to run the SS filter. If it is paper, it will not let oil pass through when wet and can damage the engine. :huh I know what water looks like in oil. My KLR, someone here don't think I had, liked to take a dip on occasion. :D That took three oil changes to clean out! :eek1
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  14. dwj - Donnie

    dwj - Donnie Long timer

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    I just finished installing the CJ Designs oil drain tube. I still have to cut the aluminum bracket and install studs for the front of the crash bars. Trying to make it a bit more maintenance friendly! :D
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  15. DavidQ

    DavidQ We Don't Rent Pigs

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    Donnie,

    I will be out of town this weekend but if you need any help working on the bike after that, I will be glad to come up and give you a hand. Any idea how long it will be before you are back on the road?
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  16. dwj - Donnie

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    Hi David!

    Thanks for the offer! :clap I may take off again in a few weeks, but it will only be for a month. :cry Then back to getting this house sold. Anyone need a nice four bedroom brick house with a 28 x 34 garage located on 2/3 acre of land. :evil It is located in the premiere location of this small town! :D
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  17. Schlug

    Schlug JockeyfullofBourbon

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    put something on and stay in that position.

    Poor noob.

    You need to post less and lurk a LOT more. A few months without spurting off would have introduced you to Donnie in a way that would keep you from getting publicly socked in the bollcoks.

    why don't you go make us some sandwiches?


    (then go stand in the corner until you're needed)

    Donnie, now that you've sold the 1100, how did you find it?

    Threads like these leave me nervous about the KTM I will have one day.

    http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=461267
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  18. ColoradoBigfoot

    ColoradoBigfoot Been here awhile

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    I questioned Donnie's milage, big deal. He put on his big boy pants and addressed my "challenge". He replied with facts that support his claim.
    If we, as people with a culture of language, are unwilling to challenge unusual claims of grandure then what is the point of communiction? Are we all to remian silent if we are not in lock-step with an opinion or statement? In the end Donnie got to tell us his story, which I'm sure he likes to do (wouldn't we all if we covered the miles he has). I, even though it does not matter two hoots to anybody but me, "believe" his high milage claims now. Ooooh I was wrong how terrible:eek1

    Hey Bobbysands, thanks for your input. Your writing is so well thought out and original......reminds me of a woman who is watching her boyfriend about to get into a fight and is yelling obcinities and agrivating the situation from behind. Nice job.
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  19. dwj - Donnie

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    Hi Bobby!

    :roflMaybe he was just having a bad day! :roflIf you are referring to how I found the KTM, I purchased it from an Inmate about two years ago. It has only had 15,000 miles put on it since I bought it because I have been Adventure Touring on the R1100GS and the KLR. I even did one 10,000 mile ride on the Goldwing! :deal Actually, I did not buy the KTM to do long range touring, but that is what it is going to do! :D I am a bit skittish about the KTM, but in reading Pydon's thread about his moto, it seems like almost every problem he has had, has been up-graded by KTM before mine was built. So time will tell! :deal
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  20. DesertSurfer

    DesertSurfer Tail sprayin

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    O.K., I admit I don't have 50K on my 950 S... Funny, I didn't buy it at all to ride on pavement. Although I adventure tour and like a twin for the long stretches between the trails. My 950 was a step up from my Transalp, which was also not meant to be a pavement pusher.

    I've got about half the miles you require... Originally I was "saving" my mileage for dirt adventures as I think most people did when they first bought the KTM Adventure. But a funny thing happened on the way to the grocery store, the liquor store, the drug store... and everywhere else in between. I was always wanting to ride the KTM.

    So I eventually gave in to the bike's pavement prowess and now even ride it into the office whenever the weather is good.

    And I do some pretty fun long distance adventure rides with it regularly just to legitimize my ownership of it.

    And I've done about a decade's worth of studying about the bike through ownership/ manufacture forums/ plenty of tech discussions with 950 rallye mechanics/ KTM product techs / all the aftermarket manufacturers... even chats with Pyn. All this to come up with my own little insight to this enchanting magic carpet ride on 2 wheels.

    I think the bike runs fairly dependable in 25K mile cycles. During that time the typical basic "faire" (weak parts) generally requires replacements or upgrades... as listed in the HOW ( The "faire" has pretty much been listed so I'll spare you the details). And most of that "faire" is good for another 25K cycle of use. And of course this doesn't account for regular maintenance which is on it's own schedule.

    I think you could get your 100K out of the bike and thoroughly enjoy it. But I would also think you'd want to have a nice set of spares of the usual "faire" as carryon during your travels. Or I'd also be aware of KTM parts accessibility along your routes when coinsidering using the 25K replacement cycles. ( Here's where I get creamed by the gallery... I'm not saying a stock slave oring will actually last 25k, or a stock fuel pump, balancer shaft seal... etc. I'm saying bring those along or have access because within that period experience tells us THEY WILL.)

    I don't think the 990 Adventure was originally intended to ride as maintenance free as a "Goldwing", but it has come a long ways since it's first release. But all of it's nuances are fairly common knowledge and the envelope of the bike certainly has a higher ceiling then most of us realize.

    You would be one of the trail blazers if you can roll 100k miles on the odometer in a short time, say a year or two. And I'll be one to watch and follow what your experiences gather.

    I'd say it's probably the perfect bike in between a KLR 650 and a GS12. Certainly more manueverable then the GS, but not as comfortable on the straight and narrow. Heavier at a standstill to the KLR 650 but smoother at speed and over the bumps.

    You can always put 60K miles on your 990 and then buy a demo 1190 Adv after they've been out for a while... if you feel the need for a smoother ride at high speed cruise.

    But I think you're in for a great time... we should all be so lucky... and envious.

    I say prove us all fools.
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