How many here opted for ABS on GS8?

Discussion in 'Parallel Universe' started by knutte-bor-i-amerika, Aug 12, 2009.

  1. knutte-bor-i-amerika

    knutte-bor-i-amerika Been here awhile

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    So I put my deposit down for an '10 with ABS so I could get it before autumn but wonder if I should wait another 2 months, save $900, 5 lbs (~2 1/2 Kg) and maybe some headaches from having to stop to switch it off, malfunctions etc. In my 25-30 yrs of riding I have never needed ABS on a motorcycle, in a car, yes. How many here bought the bike because of the ABS? Would buy a used one (when I sell it sometime in the future) because of it? Other likes/dislikes?
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  2. reinerka

    reinerka Been here awhile

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    Not having ABS would be a deal breaker for me....... used or new.

    I have engaged the ABS already a couple of times on the F800GS - mainly on the rear wheel that seems to lock up very easily. That is easy to recover from however.

    One time when riding a GL1200 and following my wife on the GL1800 a cage driver decided to make a U-Turn behind a blind curve. I locked the rear wheel (no problem) and suddenly the front end feels EXTREMELY light. I released the brakes and recovered the bike but now was coming up VERY QUICKLY on my wife riding ahead of me. I avoided her and only by a small margin the cage driver who then was speeding away fast. A check of the road showed I left TWO skid marks on the road. Perfect reinforcement that saving money on not buying ABS is saving on the wrong end.

    When we bought the GL1800 (September 2000) was without a bike for a while and would have had a 3 month waiting time to get an ABS model. Today I wish I would have waited the three month (no matter how painfull that would have been).

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  3. tedder

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    Yep, definitely agree.

    And if saving 5lbs is an issue, you're probably looking for the wrong type of bike.
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  4. HKB3

    HKB3 DIsturb the Peace

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    You also would have to order a non abs bike (at least from the dealers around here).
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  5. Bayner

    Bayner Long timer

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    Mine has ABS. I got it with that option because I had never owned an ABS bike and wanted to try it. Haven't had it engage yet (on road that is; off road it's a pain) except when I was trying to force it on. Mostly just to get used to the feel so I didn't freak out when it happens for real. It's easy to outbrake the ABS on any surface other than pavement so far. Really, I could go either way with it in the future.
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  6. knutte-bor-i-amerika

    knutte-bor-i-amerika Been here awhile

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    As a former competitive enduro rider and triathlete the weight issue is sort of in my DNA, had a small scale to weigh and save grams on spokes, cranks, pedals to minimize rotating mass. And Im not sure where those 5 lbs are, if even half of it is in the hubs that's huge amount of extra unsprung mass, just figured it's more dirtworthy bike without ABS.
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  7. tedder

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    Most of it is the servo- there's only a tiny bit in the hubs, just however much the sensor and grid weighs.

    ABS can certainly be turned off for dirt riding. Are you going to spend 100% of your time on dirt? Don't get it. Of course, don't get a F800, get a dirt bike :D
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  8. Desert Dave

    Desert Dave Enjoying the moment

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    The question is do you want ABS or not? Really nothing specific to the 800 unless you're just trying to get a feel for the average 800 owners priorities.

    Personally I ordered mine without. Similar experience to yourself in that I've never needed it, or really wanted it, but I would still buy the bike if it was standard equipment. You pointed out my biggest concern, remembering to turn it off everytime I restart the bike in the dirt. If they could put a button on the bars that allowed on the fly switching, and the ability to turn it off and leave it off I'd be far more interested.

    I wouldn't worry about weight to much all things considered. I also prefer simple bikes, less to go wrong, but then I just bought a BMW, canbus an everything else so that's a bit hypocritcal for me to say I just want to keep it simple :lol3
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  9. vasculopath

    vasculopath You're not your bike

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    Got it as it just happened to be on the only bike available at the time and I was in lust for it. I run TKC80's and I like having it on the street as I'm probaby less likely to lethally find the limits of knobby tire braking on wet pavement. Same goes for gravel. I turn it off for anything else. Like most, I wish it had a flip switch on the fly, or could be turned off as the default, hen it would be ideal.
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  10. Bushwhacker

    Bushwhacker Dirt, Sweat & Gears

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    I have been riding for about 12 years and during that time have only needed ABS once. Unfortunately I did not have it and totaled a Multistrada about 30 miles North of the Grand Canyon.

    When it came time to replace the Multi I looked at the new ones but ended up getting a Tiger 1050 because it came with ABS and the new Multi did not. I had to wait an extra 3 months on the Tiger before the ABS models got to the States.

    When I was ready to buy the F800GS they had one on the Show Room Floor w/o ABS they offered be a great deal on.

    I waited for the ABS model and will not purchase another primary bike w/o ABS.
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  11. Law Dawg (ret)

    Law Dawg (ret) Been here awhile

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    It came with my bike along with some other stuff I was not really in love with. I have engaged the ABS once and it is now an item I am VERY glad is on the bike (love it). As to the switch...if you are too tired to remember to turn it off after a pause in your dirty fun, you are too tired to be riding. As to the 5 lbs (insert uncontrolled laughing here)...I am 5 lbs+ over with just the fat on my left forearm.
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  12. WoodWorks

    WoodWorks House Ape

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    I too will not ever buy another bike without ABS. It's just part of ATGATT to me. But there are lots of reasons for forgetting to switch off the ABS besides being tired. The last time I forgot was at about 9 am, and I had just paused briefly to take a photo after starting to ride a dirt section. Fortunately, the steep, rocky descent I found myself accelerating on didn't end with a faceplant. :knary

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    Law Dawg (ret) Been here awhile

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    I have forgotten a couple of times (at least) but had the good fortune of noticing and fixing before things got ugly (I plead stupid). Gotta wonder how tough would it be to cause the switch to operate exactly opposite of how it does now?
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    Foofighter Broken Sportbike Rider

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    I crashed my street bike and nearly killed myself because I did NOT have ABS. I locked up my front brake and lost control. I am sure that, had I been on a bike with ABS I might have not crashed that day.
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  15. dvwalker

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    ABS has saved my bacon a couple times now coming into a corner too hot. Also cusrsed it on more than one occasion forgetting to push the button after a break and descending steap downhill dirt sections. Still I'm sold on the ABS.
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  16. M N B

    M N B would rather be riding

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    Dealers pretty much never order non-abs models because so many people buying beemers would rather rely on ABS than learn how to use their brakes well.

    (ducks)

    Seriously, you cannot get a non-abs model from any of the local dealers without ordering it. If the ABS didn't suck so much, I wouldn't mind, but it's terrible. It engages rolling over a reflector at 2mph on dry surfaces. I only got ABS because I didn't want to wait 3 months.

    One time, I entered a turn and ABS kicked in, despite there being no need to, limited their braking, and because of this, it nearly sent me over a freaking cliff. The system was determined to be 'working as designed.'

    I wish it has ABSII, like my '97 K1100LT. It may be much older tech, but it wasn't over aggressive and nearly getting me killed kicking in when it shouldn't.
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  17. vidd

    vidd how was your lamb?

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    gotten the ABS, myself. was a deal breaker for me on this buy, On/Off ABS. Suzuki couldnt deliver, had they come up with it, I wouldve saved a few thousand euros and would now be touring europe instead of waiting on the friggin dealership to swap suspension coils. :tough
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    knutte-bor-i-amerika Been here awhile

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    Thanks for the replies. Also wondering how much experience do those ppl have that wanted/needed it. I started riding on the streets for a year before switching to dirt and that probably have helped me more than any ABS ever would. Still remember this time maybe 20 yrs ago I was on my '83 GSX, leaning over pretty hard in a sweeper and a rabbit suddenly runs out in front, I even think to myself if I run him (or her..?) over Im probably gonna slide my front so I squeeze my front brake with one finger lightly, bike stands up just a wee bit but I scrub off enough speed to avoid the animal. But then again, Im older now, prob have slower reflexes (but I also dont dare to ride as fast).
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  19. tedder

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    Indeed- dirt is amazing. I have a dozen years of experience and I teach, and I do plenty of dirt. I can usually sift out the non-dirt-experience folks because they complain about how ABS engages too quickly on the rear in dirt. Yeah, but the front brake works just fine on dirt if you aren't afraid of it..

    I love having the insurance policy of ABS. It lets me use 100% of the brakes, rather than being conservative at 85% to keep from sliding things. It's hard to beat on the street- sure, in the theoretical world, it's beatable by an expert. In reality? Not so much.
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  20. garandman

    garandman Wandering Minstrel

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    There are a number of ABS threads. After looking at the difference in braking performance between even the most skilled riders versus a new rider with ABS on wet roads, I sold my non-ABS DL650 and bought the ABS model. It's a deal-breaker for many V-Strom owners (a $500, 7 lb option) and the percentage of ABS bikes seems to be increasing, especially for high mileage riders who are more likely to be riding in the rain.

    The first article I read that convinced me was: http://www.ibmwr.org/prodreview/abstests.html but there are others equally persuasive.

    The DL650 ABS does not have a switch: you have to buy an aftermarket harness and switch - $10.

    I've been riding since 1980 and never needed it yet, either.
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