How many ride 6 or 7 days a week?

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by 390beretta, May 5, 2012.

  1. NCStephen

    NCStephen Riding NC

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    OK.. this got me to thinking and I just dropped some numbers of the basics I recall for each vehicle. I didn't capture everything but think I did do a fair job of getting most of the expenses. I was surprised.

    Basic costs
    99 Volvo v70,bought w/ 100,000, now 221,000... 9000
    current value 7 yrs owned ............................-2000
    new head repair with timing belt (pulley broke) .. 4400
    Radiator and fan............................................ 900
    gas mid grade and premium avg mpg 29 ...........13350
    tires 1 set ....................................................500
    misc services ............................................... 1500

    basic cost for 121,000 ($.029/mile).............. 27650
    per year $3950


    03 K1200RS bought w/ 7800, now 95,000..... 6500
    current value owned 3.7 yrs .......................-4500
    fuel pump................................................ 400
    rear brake pads every 15,000 miles x6 .......... 360
    New shocks............................................. 2000
    tires every 8000 (6-11k actually) 350X11...... 3850
    Alternator (did clutch/starter/slave cylinder).. 2500
    premium gas 38 mpg avg............................ 7875
    mis services (annuals etc) .........................2500

    Basic costs for 87,000 ($0.25/mi).............. 21485
    per year $ 5808

    And clearly there are far more grins/mile/year on the bike... priceless.
    Thanks for getting me to thinking!!! Now when the used final drive I have bought arrives and my wife says something about how much the bike seems to costs, I have you to thank for having the best answer. (And no I will not let the conservation turn to the closet of suits and leathers and boots and helmets and gloves and raingear and wintergear and bike schools attended and reducing camping gear to bike size etc etc) Maybe I will get 2 doz roses tomorrow for her.

    NCS
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  2. Wobbleside

    Wobbleside Been here awhile

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    I sold my car a year ago, which is part of why I bought the Multistrada a month and half ago. I wanted something a little more practical than my Monster.
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    At my current household there are 5 of us (we are in the process of swapping housemates and the replacement had to move in early) Once things are settled there will be 4 of us to 5 bikes (unless we finally get ride of the falling apart 1990 Connie) and 1 car. Right now 2 of us are every day riders, the 3rd would be but his Interceptor has been a bit of a garage whore. The 4th is saving up to replace the bike he had to sell to move out here and fixing the Connie in the meantime. He was a daily rider in Minn before moving out here but he couldn't find a way to affordable get his streetfighter Seca II out here so he sold it and bought a beat up truck for the drive out here. Truck is for sale and as soon as it's gone he'll be hunting a replacement.
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  3. Gadget Girl

    Gadget Girl Been here awhile

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    First, check your math. Your decimal is off for the car calculation.

    Next, you're comparing a VERY OLD model car with a relatively new high end motorcycle. I also question some of your figures, but I'll leave that for others to look at. Add to that the option to do some of your own maintenance on your motorcycle. We do most of it ourselves.
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  4. NCStephen

    NCStephen Riding NC

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    Yeah that was a typo.. that should have been $0.29 for the car. The figures were ball park ones about things I could account for. Yeah the car is old but then again that was taken into account with the small current value. The large repair bill when the timing belt pulley failed and destroyed all the valves happens. But then again the 2500 repair bill on the bike was when the alternator failed and you have a ton of labor to remove engine from frame to repair it. While there it was time to do clutch, rear main seal, and some other things that were complications. Again things happen. Some would argue that getting close to 100,000 on a bike is getting a bit old for it to. I am not making that argument. I was only saying this is what I have spent to keep the bike on the road. I don't have the luxury of doing my own work. No shelter, little time, and the bike is a daily driver. So I will change oil or brake pads and some things like that. The annual service of all fluids and the complicated abs/servo system flush I let my friend do. So things like gas was done on a rough average and I just took a $ amount of $3.20/gal for the car, $3.40/gal for the bike

    Remember I was challenged to see if the car was indeed cheaper than the bike. So I just tried to get a general picture. Still if the numbers are even kinda right, I was surprised that the bike was even close to the car. I would have expected it to be 1/3 - 1/2 higher or more.

    NCS
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  5. Gadget Girl

    Gadget Girl Been here awhile

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    Yea, one of the considerations for me when bike shopping is how easy is it for me to do my own wrenching. We also have spare bikes to ride when one or two need more involved repairs or we're waiting on parts.

    The main point is that there are many much more affordable bikes out there too.

    Just food for thought.
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  6. sargev55

    sargev55 Been here awhile

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    i dont really agree with your math, and your ownership experience with the volvo is extremely lucky. if you think the car with ~100k miles was worth 9k, that is close to what it was worth whenever you bought it, but at 221k and 13-14 years old, nowhere near worth $7k. thats a $1500-2.5k car all day long. and as someone that has the misfortune of working on those bastards, i would shy away like nobodys business. you are very lucky that car did not nickel and dime you to death way before that mileage.
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  7. NCStephen

    NCStephen Riding NC

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    I didn't do the chart in the best manner to illustrate things. I bought the car for $9,000. I put the value of the car at $2,000 currently and counted that back out of the costs of buying and owning. Things vary with brands and cars for sure, but we had 2 740 turbos that did well for us up to about 250,000. The previous 850 wagon I traded for the 99 when it had 260,000 Those both NA engines. My wifes 02 V70 t5 is doing well at 195,000. So for us they have been cars good for 200,000+, get reasonable gas mileage, can tow the small camper, have room for the dogs and kayaks. But all that aside.

    Again I just put some very basic numbers to do a very quick thumbnail comparison of the two vehicles as gadget girl challenged me to check my statement that for sure the car was the cheaper vehicle. That was a challenge to yall as well. Do some basic math on the two without being overly anal about ever cent spent.

    NCS
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  8. gfloyd2002

    gfloyd2002 Title Free Since '12

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    I use my bike as a daily commuter, then head out for a long ride once each the weekend. Usually only get in the car on the weekends when I drive the kids about. Gas prices here are about $6 per gallon, and my car gets about 1/3 of the mpg as the motorcycle, so seems an easy decision about which to take when I'm ready to head to work. I ride rain or shine, thanks to Aerostich. Actually enjoy the big downpours - clears the roads of cars a bit and makes a boring daily commute a bit of a mental challenge. :thumb
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  9. roadfool

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    I ride every day, got no cage, 91 750 Nighthawk ( red the fastest color)
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  10. 390beretta

    390beretta Long timer

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    Very interesting hearing all of your stories. Surprised a bit at how many ride bikes as their only mode of transport. I ride an '88 K75, my wife, an '08 Versys. We do have a '10 Jeep Wrangler for when we need a cage. We both work part time jobs, so are not on a strict 9-5 type schedule but
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  11. PeterW

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    7 day rider here, all year as well, we really don't have 'winter' or at least weather that's too cold to ride in.

    The bike is cheaper than my wife's car - roughly the same purchase costs, she pays more for maintenance and fuel, I pay more for tyres. Not an expensive bike though and notoriously low maintenance (DL 650).

    When I compare it with a car or public transport , even better - no parking costs for the bike and public transport here is both expensive and inconvenient. If I factored in how much a couple of hours a day are worth to me, public transport isn't even in the contest :). Break even on the bike worked out at ~3years when I calculated it a few years ago, it's probably less now. (Bike cost is roughly the same, but fuel, transport and parking costs have increased).

    My wife has a 6km each way commute, now that our kids have left home we picked up a scoot for her, even with the extra registration and insurance that looks like it'll pay off as well. (The main reason for the scoot wasn't cost, but the relative lack of parking hassles for her if she goes shopping over lunch or on the way home for work).

    Pete
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  12. GrendelMk1

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    I didn't read the entire thread (ducks), but 7-day rider signing in.

    I don't own a car/truck/unicycle/Unimog. I've got 1 (one) bike, an F650GS with Heidenau K60s on it. For giggles, I'm Canadian. Ok, I cheat, I live in Vancouver, so the snow isn't obscene. I missed 5 commuting days due to bad melt/refreeze conditions after snowfalls this year.

    I've never mathed the comparison to, say, a late '90s Jeep (fuck no I don't want a car, I bought a GS because I go off pavement!) but I did figure out that my fuel+insurance+basic consumables (tires, oil/filter, chains, etc) is cheaper than using a bus pass. And there's never been a bus pass that makes me grin so hard it hurts ;)

    I just did the 10k service today, and I bought the thing on sept 02 last year. Considering that my round trip commute is 16 km/day, I guess I did some recreational riding :p I got some real looks at work when I mentioned a Squamish run in December for, oh, 450 km on a fine, 3 degrees C saturday :p

    Clothes and tires. Get those right, and hot damn!
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  13. DAKEZ

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    I ride every day. How do I feel bout it? RIDE RIDE RIDE!!! :ricky
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  14. Cowgirl

    Cowgirl Cougar on the prowl

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    I ride most days April through November, less in winter. Having said that I did manage to put almost 6000km on the 2 bikes this winter.
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  15. damurph

    damurph Cold Adventurer

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    I don't own a car and ride year round but i use a KLR as my winter bike. Milk crate size and Wolfman tankbag keeps the grocery bill down but never have to worry about meat spoilage. It is a little easier with the milder climate here in Newfoundland.:D
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  16. Benjava

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    I've done a heck of a lot of driving. Used to average about 50k a year. Always enjoyed it. But I havn't owned a four wheel vehicle in ten years now. I drove my wifes car everyday for a week a few years ago when she was out of town. It sucked. I couldn't believe how glad I was to get back on two wheels after just a week.
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  17. dbuzz

    dbuzz Citizen of the world

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    I have 2 bikes and a car ... whenever possible I take the bikes. The car does get used for extra big grocery runs or trips to the hardware store etc for bulky things.
    I work 7 shifts per fortnight and it's an 80k trip each way. I almost always take one of the bikes unless the weather is particularly foul eg heavy rain that aint gunna clear up anytime soon. I am not a wuss about the weather but sometimes I figure discretion is the better part of valor :shog I do have to arrive and appear reasonably professional at my workplace :wink: but I don't like the car and spend the whole trip wishing I was on the bike. :D
    I ride most days but sometimes I do have to do the housework :puke1
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  18. Dave2

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    Ride/communte every day. Run errands on the KLR after work and on weekends.
    New job in D.C. so I've spent more days in the car until I can adjust to commuter traffic on I95 into and out of D.C.
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  19. markk9

    markk9 Been here awhile

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    I'm a 365 day rider, unless there is snow or ice on the road.
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  20. RxZ

    RxZ Legal Drug Dealer

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    We bought my wife a new car about 2 months ago, and in preparation of that I sold my car because we did not want to have two car payments. Theory was I would find a cheap used car for me to drive. Well, it has been almost 3 months now since I sold my car, and I have not bought a replacement yet. My wife is getting antsy though, so I will have to find something pretty soon. That said, for the past 3 months I have ridden to work every day except for one week when it was raining hard everyday, and one day when I had a weird allergic reaction in my eye :huh My wife took me to work that day since I could hardly keep my eye open. It is about 36 miles round trip.

    Having three kids though, I almost never ride on weekends, so pretty much the only riding I to is the commute, and that is fine with me! Family is much more important that a couple of hours of joy riding :deal I have been looking at my local craigslist for a used car though. Just haven't seen anything that I want to buy yet. I better hurry though, around here it is easier to ride in the winter than the summer, and summer is knocking on our door! So long as the temp is around 80 in the morning I will ride. Last summer it was around 85 every morning at 7:30, and I was drenched in sweat when I got to work. Co-workers didn't appreciate that, so I took the car most of the time.