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Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by Aj Mick, Jul 2, 2013.
Someone in the "Crashes; how many is too many?" thread suggested a poll on this, so here we go.
No pole! No poll!
BTW One crash, rear ended by a drunk at a stop sign in 1984.
So is this thread going to discuss whether or not we need a poll?
Patience please....! It takes a few minutes to set the poll after starting the thread.
Just one significant (in 1976) for me after the best part five decades of mucking around on two wheels, and 45 years licensed.
Sideswiped by a fast moving car pulling in after overtaking the car behind me. "I didn't see you," said the driver......
Lesson learnt, ride aware that others may not be.
Up to you, and others; discuss if you choose.
There is a three week poll now...... Lump it or leave it.
It didn't have the poll when I first opened it, and I think Jim noticed this as well.
And poles are more fun that polls, but only if there is a stripper involved
I've gone down twice on a bike, both times from being young and dumb, but the worst damage from any "crash" I've had was a broken turn signal and scraped knee, not even enough to tear the jeans I used to think were adequate riding gear.
So, no significant crashes, I guess. I ride much more aware nowadays and try to keep my street pace around 7/10ths or less, in my estimation anyway. So really I'm probably riding at more like 5/10ths...
Fifteen crash free years (and about 150,000 km) living in a land well known for its chrome pole botherers, the attraction has palled somewhat. Each to their own, but polls seem to do it more for me nowadays!
OK. Against my better judgment I voted, and was honest. I've had no significant crashes in ~20 years of riding on the street. I'm going on a multi-day trip next week, and if I crash it's your fault
One. Deer jumped out of the woods bordering the road with no warning close enough to leave me no time at all to react. Now I have a chunk of titanium on my right collarbone. Watch out for wildlife, they hurt.
Two for me on the street in 56 years not counting the ones racing/riding in the dirt.
One Major me vs. the Dominoes Driver that had to get the pizza to the house in 30 minutes. (Through me)
6 months in a wheelchair was the result.
One. Crashed on the highway last year. A truck didn't see me and pulled into my lane. Bike was new to me, and like a dummy I pulled the brakes as hard as I would on my previous bike. The fronts locked up and I went tumbling. Lesson learned. I do parking lot emergency braking practice regularly. My next bike will have ABS. I'll still do my e braking practice... But it would be nice to have ABS just in case I get a little over-zealous in a panic.
One involving alcohol 27 years ago. Should have died but ??? Don't drink anymore.
To much speed, not enough skill.
I was fortunate to walk away without a scratch. ATGAT is not a bad word. My crash definitely motivated me to learn more about being safe riding a motorcycle. If you have a chance to improve your skill on a bike by taking a class, LISTENING to other riders, reading ADV, take advantage and do not EVER assume you are a great rider.
If I only knew then what I have learned now about riding the past few years, my outcome would have been different.
Even though I was not hurt, crashing a bike sucks!
#1 Lady comes over the center line and hits me head on. Both of us doing about 45-50 mph. Not much time to react. I was just reaching for clutch and brakes and standing up and boom! Human lawn dart...a brief moment of silence as I sailed through the darkness.. and lights out. I ground a hole completely through my helmet.
#2 Riding along in the right lane of a divided hwy. Lady pulls into the median to make a left turn and cross the road. She stops...waits....then pulls directly out in front of me. I cut for the left lane to try and miss her. I left approx 3 ft. of skid mark and hit her behind the rear tire. Traveling about 45-50, I hit the car hard enough to spin it around 180 deg and put it into the ditch. Once again, human lawn dart. Land on my head and go skidding down the road. Faak, I hate that!
I walked away from both of these potentially fatal accidents. Not a scratch on me. Here's why I think that is.
Fate, when it's your time, your gone. Gear. Boots, gloves, coat and helmet. Both helmets in these accidents were badly damaged and I was knocked unconscious for long lengths of time. Off road riding. I learned to ride on dirt bikes. I still spend over 75% of my riding time off road. This riding style has engrained the reaction to stand up when technically challenging situations arise. I dont even think about it, I just do it. In both cases, one of the last things I remember is transferring my weight from the seat to the pegs and beginning to stand up. I think this allowed my body to clear the cars as I sailed on by and thus not suffering any serious blunt force trauma.
What constitutes as a significant crash?
I would count none because all parts of my body have (more or less) healed and are still functioning. Temporary pain, broken parts and what-if accidents do no qualify as a significant, or do they? If so, I would count more.
I was rear ended by another motorcycle when I was turning left he decided to pass. Ripped the bars out of the triple and boogered up all sorts of other stuff. It ripped 3 of the buckles of my A* tech 3 boots.
Solo crash on a dirtbike in a desert race which ended in a compressed vertebrae, 4 bulging discs, and many fractures in my back.
Yes, I did think someone would bring that up, and I did think of trying to define it. It would be a bit difficult to do concisely in the poll question, and pointless doing so in the opening post; I guess most people open at the last page or last post. Even if I did define it people would have their own interpretation.
In the end I thought it best to leave it as "up top you" as they say.
For me a significant crash is one that causes enough damage to require the attention of medic or mechanic. Superficial abrasions to the body or body work would be insignificant to me...... but may be significant so someone else.
I find it interesting that so many people claim to have had "none at all".
"None significant" and "one" is about where I would have expected / hoped the numbers to peak...... Nuff said for now!
Significant to me is a trip to the emergency room. Twice for me in 56 years of riding, knock on wood.
Don't count minor offs especially in the dirt.