How often do you get "screwed"?

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  1. Homey

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    Obviously you need something with some more horse power. :wink: It is nice to have the twisties on the commute. Gives me something to look forward to on the way home. In the morning I usually take it pretty easy because of dear, pigs and migrant farmworkers on the road. None of them are very observant of traffic coming the other way.
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  2. little foot

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    this ^^^^
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  3. mngl1500

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    Worse time was when the tire only had 400 miles on it :(
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  5. JohnCW

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    I agree, the OP did the right thing replacing the tire at the earliest opportunity. Emergency plugs are just that, and putting the cost of a professional repair toward a new tire is money better spent.

    Regarding how often do you pick up screws. At one stage I was getting one about every week on my commuter bike. Luckily most of them didn't penetrate the tube. Why so many, I reckon its because of travelling along the shoulder of roads in peak-hour traffic and this is where all the junk end up.
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  6. bwalsh

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    What's wrong with patching the inside of the tire?
    I wouldn't run a plugged tire for thousands of miles either but I sure as hell would patch it instead of throwing it out.
    You guys replacing tires every time you get a nail or screw, send them to me!
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  7. 2wdrift

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    Uhm, I currently have 6 plugs and a patch on the inside of my 1190 R's rear wheel.

    But the again the tyres only last about 3-4k km so I just ride it until the tyre is worn and then replace.
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  8. K75Guy

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    Anyone ever use the sealers inside the tire, like Slime or Roll On? I always had great luck with Slime on my mountain bike tires, but curious if anyone had experience on moto tires? The odd thing is that you usually don't know if it is working.


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  9. Homey

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    If I just rode in town or commuted on the freeway I would probably use a patched or plugged tire but I don't. I ride 30 miles of twisty roads on my commute every day. I'm not going to trust any marginal equipment with my safety. I have a hard enough time keeping myself under control without having the worry of a plug or patch failing in the back of my mind.

    Sure, you can have mine. I warn you it might be a long wait. I haven't had one in 30 years.
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  10. JohnCW

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    Exactly the same reason as given by Homey. And even from a practical perspective, lets say the tire is 50% worn.... the effort of pulling out the back wheel, then driving to the repair shop, then refit the thing ...... nah, stick on a new tire and enjoy. New tires are better than sex.
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  11. bwalsh

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    A properly applied patch isn't "marginal equipment". It's not like you're putting a piece of duct tape over the hole and calling it good.
    But, to each his own...
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  12. JohnCW

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    Lets take an expert opinion on the matter......... Note: For those not aware, patch/plugs are very different to the side of the road emergency repair kits.

    MOTORCYCLE TUBELESS-TIRE REPAIR INFORMATION
    Dear Dunlop Dealer:
    This responds to the numerous requests for motorcycle tubeless-tire repair information. Dunlop recommends only permanent repairs performed from the inside of the tire, using a combination patch/plug method. Never attempt a repair from the outside or inject a sealant, or simply use an inner tube, a patch or a plug as a substitute for a proper repair.
    Only a qualified tire repair shop or motorcycle tire dealer should perform repairs. Inspection of the tire and adequacy of repair becomes the responsibility of the person actually performing the repair and Dunlop does not warrant the results of a repair in any way. Combination patch/plug repair kits for use by the repair shop or dealer are commercially available with accompanying instructions.
    Before any repair should be attempted, however, a tire must be removed from the wheel and thoroughly inspected. The following are minimum guidelines for the repairer:
    Tires should not be repaired if any of the following conditions exist:
    01. A tire has been previously injected with a sealant/balancer.
    02. The puncture is larger than 6mm (1/4 inch) in diameter.
    03. The puncture is not perpendicular to the carcass.
    04. The puncture is in the tire sidewall.
    05. Separation of plies, tread separation or separation of any other components.
    06. Cut or broken ply cords.
    07. Broken or damaged bead wires.
    08. Cut or damaged chafers (bead area).
    09. Deterioration of the carcass inside the tire due to being run flat or underinflated.
    10. Cracks or other damage to the integrity of the inner liner.
    11. Excessive wear—tire should have at least 1/32 of an inch of tread depth, excluding tread-wear indicators.
    12. Cracks in sidewall or tread.
    13. Impact breaks, cuts, snags or gouges that penetrate the surface.
    NOTE:
    A. There should be no more than one repair in any quarter of the tire and no more than two repairs per tire.
    B. The wheel itself must be in good condition. Any cracked or bent wheel, however slightly, may allow the loss of air and cause subsequent deflation of the tire.
    C. Following repair, the valve assembly should be replaced and the tire/wheel rebalanced.
    D. Speed should not exceed 50 mph for the first 24 hours after tire repair, and the repaired tire should never be used at speeds over 75 mph.
    THE REPAIRER IS SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR INSTRUCTING THE MOTORCYCLIST AS TO THE RESTRICTIONS TO BE PLACED ON TIRE USE FOLLOWING REPAIR.
    In summary, NO form of temporary repair should be attempted. Any doubt as to inspection or adequacy of repair should be resolved by discarding the tire.
    Be sure to consult our Motorcycle Tire Limited Warranty, Care and Maintenance brochure for additional information regarding the use
    of Dunlop tires, and convey important safety information to your customers.
    Regards,
    The Dunlop Motorcycle Tire Performance Team
    SERVICE ADVISORY
    76 DUNLOP
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  13. Homey

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    Thanks JohnCW. That pretty much sums up my concerns. Like I said, If I just cruised around I wouldn't be concerned but I ride hard and won't compromise with something like that. $180 for a tire is nothing compared to my piece of mind.
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  14. popscycle

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    I will run (sticky rope) plugged small (screw or nail) hole tires all day long for the life of the tire and think nothing of it - with no inside patch at all. Tossing tires away for a small hole in the tread is like throwing your bike in the trash for a small dent. Bigger holes are another matter. YMMV with your comfort level.
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    "Tossing tires away for a small hole in the tread is like throwing your bike in the trash for a small dent". No its not, a tire failure at speed is a potentially catastrophic life threatening event. Comparing it to a small dent in a bike is trivializing something important.

    Would the maker of any external plug claim their product is suitable as a permanent repair? I doubt it. A tire manufacturers opinion is above, and the answer is a clear no from their perspective.

    The only reason I've commented on this is so that new or less experienced riders at least aware what they should do. While your happy to use a product designed by its manufacturer as a purely temporary emergency repair as a permanent solution and don't feel its any big deal, the 'right' advice for others should be get the tire professionally repaired with a combination patch/plug, recognize its a compromised tire, or replace it completely.
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  17. popscycle

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    I am sure tire makers and merchants would like folks to think like you. Of all the things that could potentially fail at speed, a tire with a plugged (by me) small nail hole is far down my list. As an experienced rider (55+ years), it is likely I have sufficient experience plugging a motorcycle to not need a professional - no leaks and no fails so far. BTW, I don't do "shrooms" or internal patches. Finally, if you think comparisons to dents on a bike is trivializing something important, you might want to remember how regular stress caused frames to crack on certain models. Now that was a problem but a small screw hole in a tire, not so much. For myself, and a few other riders I know, a small screw or nail hole in the tread IS a trivial matter.

    Bottom Line: If unsure, uncertain or otherwise bothered by a small puncture, get a new tire but I am not going to toss mine just because you are.
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  18. bwalsh

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    A clear no? :huh What opinion were you reading? From the opinion you posted...

    I'd say their recommendation of no more than 75mph, which is higher than 95% of highway speeds, is low to cover their ass, like all business do. How fast do you want to ride down public highways?
    If you're going to the track then I'd change the tire. But a properly applied patch on the inside of the tire isn't going anywhere unless you somehow get a nail or screw in the exact same place. Your chances of winning the lottery are much better.
    I wouldn't run one of those sticky ropes for the life of the tire but I would with a patch. I also don't fly down the highway much above 80mph. I value my license too much. :deal
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    We have on one hand the Dunlop tire company advising its dealers that external plugs are not a satisfactory repair for a tubeless motorcycle tire. On the other hand we have yourself with 55 years of riding (not sure what that has to do with tubeless motorcycle tire repair expertise), and you've successfully plugged a few tubeless tires over the years. Certainly not for 55 years because you'd have been patching tubes for quite a bit of that time.

    About 50 years ago when I was a young apprentice the workshop foreman (perhaps the best mechanic I ever worked with) told me 'sonny if there is any doubt whatsoever on anything that could affect the safety of a vehicle, never compromise....never'. I'm surprised that someone hasn't by now trotted out the 'lawyer' line regarding Dunlop's advise. Nothing to do with lawyers, it's exactly the prudent conservative technical advise you'd expect under the circumstances, and one totally consistent with the way I was trained.

    What's the evidence to support the use of external plugs? A few plugs used over the years without incident doesn't constitute 'expertise'. Can you provide just one credible source that says they are a satisfactory permanent repair? Just one. Is the use of the plugs a conservative approach to safety, or one motivated primarily by cost saving?
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  20. JohnCW

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    Did you bother to actually read the post to which I responded? Clearly not.

    "I will run (sticky rope) plugged small (screw or nail) hole tires all day long for the life of the tire and think nothing of it - with no inside patch at all".

    P.S. Like many serious riders, I regularly ride faster than 75mph, would exceed that speed on any club ride which is at least once (sometime twice) a week every week of the year.
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