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Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by motoracer85, Mar 13, 2018.
Safe Motorcycle = oxymoron... why do you think a crash helemt is recommended??
I read the article and I have no argument for any of the beginner motorcycles.
I personally would prefer all riders learn to ride off-road before they go on the street, and become so proficient there's no thinking about the technical aspects of riding.
I know in big cities that's impossible. I honestly don't know how people learn to ride in a place like San Fran or NYC. I grew up where there traffic density was close to zero. A beginner in heavy traffic just makes me wince. I'm 53, I started riding as a teen, I've put nearly a million miles in cars and bikes (and boats and snowmobiles) and have never had a serious accident -- and not even a minor one that was my fault (KNOCK ON WOOD!!!!).
I recommend to everyone practice as much as you can where there are no assholes texting or drunk or putting on makeup or in a rage. Then ride on the road.
But wear bright colors and know how to brake and have good tires and ride defensively as hell. And know that no-one sees you.
You are not explaining why are those motorcycles safer than the alternatives in each category. Poorly reasoned article, with too much copy-pasta from manufacturers' brochures.
Instead of calling these bikes safer, you should call them "versatile bikes that also happen to be better suited for newer riders."
Because calling them safer implies that they are magically going to protect you from that left-turning driver or cellphone-addict. Which is misleading. And also because safer implies that they must be less powerful, watered down for n00bs. And few self-respecting n00bs want to buy a sensible 250 when they really want to have a fire-breathing 600, for a similar price.
I find the Z125 a strange choice. I´m sure it´s a laugh to ride but wouldn´t be my first choice for traffic, both the tyres (12"?) and lack of visibility to other cars would put me off. I´d put it in the category of fun toy rather than practical transport.
It's mostly luck.
Why not pay for an ad if you want people to click on your stuff?
On a different note, I am writing an article documenting the most dangerous lawn chairs.
Here is the underlying issue:
These are all relative terms that demand a comparison and are totally subjective terms based on the opinions, experiences, and comparisons made by the person making the declaration. This is why threads go awry for things like 'what is the best oil', or 'what are the best tires', or even 'this is the safest motorcycle.' What goes into the decision? If I get run over by a 36 axle gravel train anything less mass than another 36 axle gravel train is not going to be very safe. See the issue?
Ummmm.... does "P twin" mean "pair of twins"?
Yeah...I know that. Am I just not old enough to remember such a thing as a Honda F3 with that motor?
Oooh I gotcha. yeah, the F3 was a four cylinder?
Safest = training wheels
Most inanimate objects are safe right up until a human gets their hands on it.
...Or the discussion could be totally objective and end at the second posting.
Yes, as the guy who owned one should know
I went from a Van Van to a DR650....I've been riding most of my life. The Van Van got me back on a bike after quite a few years off...but the reason I sold it MOSTLY is because I couldn't get out of the way of traffic. Great little bike if you ride in a 35 mph neighborhood. If you ever have to cross a fast highway....hold onto your butt. I'd say that might be a safety concern.
Like I typed before.
1. Rider maturity
2. Mass and hieght of rider.
3. What they plan to do with it, in their environment.
More seat time at speeds at 70mph conditions require more displacement.
For my mass and height I think the 286cc thumper from Honda or the GSX250R would be the smallest displacememt safest bikes for Interstate use.
If I needed a higher percentage the R3 would be fine.
If I lived in windy conditions with very little curves, the Ninja 400 would be ideal.
That is why I recommend a 21" front on a Adv Touring bike. You are going to an environment you have never been before. It's safest to get a tyre that will not wash out easily.
I edited my previous post. I had a massive stroke at the time of writing. In-line four. Not P.Twin.
I apologise for the crap posting.
So, really, it's basically all up to the rider, since choice of bike, and proper maintenance are "upstream" of riding within one's (and one's machine's) limits.