How to get proof of ownership for a bike w/no title

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by D0N, Jan 28, 2011.

  1. isu2014

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    I read through quite a bit of the thread and never really got a good answer so... For my vin verification, what forms do I need? A Vermont specific one or just go to the courthouse here in IA and have them do it? Or can I do it online for $25 and bypass talking to people? I think they are free at the courthouse though.
  2. showtime45

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  3. Jeff@TheQuadShop

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    Will this work if your trying to get a title that says "offroad use only" to one that is for street?
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    That"s exactly what I need ! "Offroad use only" would tickle me pink !!!
  5. Boatman

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    http://dmv.vermont.gov/sites/dmv/files/pdf/DMV-VT010-Vehicle_Vessel_ID_Verification.pdf

    Read the bottom of the second page.

    That said,,,, I registered a vehicle for a friend in Nevada. Nevada has it's own VIN verification form and that is what I gave the VT DMV.
  6. Boatman

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    I just got my 390 Berg done with an MSO that said "Off Road Only". The bike had to be inspected for all the required road equipment prior to going to the DMV. Needed.... DOT tires, DOT head and tail light, brake light and horn. Turn signals weren't required. The inspector filled out this form,
    http://dmv.vermont.gov/sites/dmv/files/pdf/DMV-VN029-OOS_Branded_Title_Inspection_Form.pdf The part that says "Title branded as:" gets filled in with "off road only".

    Not sure how to go about this inspection part from where you are. A call to the DMV might get you an answer.

    It's my understanding from people that have tried that some states will still not give you a registration for on road after getting it in VT. NY for example runs the VIN through a database that determines if the vehicle was factory road legal or not.
  7. Ken F

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    I missed a number in my vin so vt wanted a vin check. My local PD was able to do it.I sent it in and haven't heard a thing.guess I'm OK.
  8. Jeff@TheQuadShop

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    I guess that means it won't work for me. My cousin has a WR450 that was street titled in 06 only to have someone at the KY state office catch it last year and pulled his plate. They would not let him get his truck renewed until he turned in his bike plate.
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    According to your linked site, that's not a done deal yet. If it ends up being law, getting an off-road title is often easier, but that depends *widely* by state: some states don't title OHVs at all, though it looks like IL does. I'd check with the Illinois DMV. Vermont can't help you, because that bike would be completely undocumented in VT.

    Vermont says they want their own form, but you're not the only one I've heard of who has successfully used the "official" form from another state successfully. I've personally never done it--the only bikes I've tagged in VT have been exempt (under 500cc or previously VT registered).

    This is a huge variation between states. In some states, registering a dirt bike for street use is a joke: fill out forms, pay $$, swear that the bike has all the state-required equipment (surprisingly little in some states), leave with plate. When I lived in Colorado, you could plate essentially anything, some county motor vehicle offices took your word that it had a horn, brake light, etc. and a lot of stuff (e.g. blinkers) wasn't even required. In others, it's just plain impossible. For example, California has required the full complement of equipment (blinkers, speedo, odo, brake light, horn, etc.) for decades and is now enforcing emissions rules that make it essentially impossible to plate a dirt bike made after 1978.

    Plus, while ~45 states title all street-legal motorcycles, a fair number of states don't title off-road motorcycles, which can be an issue trying to plate one.

    One last note: most VIN databases only include real VINs, which only became mandatory on 1981 model street-legal vehicles (though some '80s and very few '79s have them). On older bikes, it's quite likely that there's no database that can tell by a serial number whether a bike is street-legal or not. A post-81 bike without a VIN, though, is a quick trip to no-tag-town without going through the full formal procedures.
  10. CS_0427

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    I thought before sending in money, I'd call to verify all they need is the $44 + tax (I'm used to like 10 fees and DMV add-ons here in FL). Calling the # I posted above sends you through a "press 1 for..." maze. If calling about registrations, it says your call may be answered by an inmate at one of our correctional facilities! There is also an option to talk to a DMV worker, so that is what I'm doing. Will update after I get off hold.

    UPDATE
    I spoke to Sharon and she verified for a 15+ year old over 500cc bike, the cost is $44 plus the tax. No other fees.
  11. Spitfire151

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    Been a while since I posted on here. To recap, I live in PA bought a bike I can't track down the title for, wanted to avoid going through the long and expensive court process so I did the VT deal and it worked like a champ but I've been wondering if I can transfer it to PA and negate the previous old title? Or would I be charged for a crime of some sort? I originally did a VIN lookup to make sure the bike isn't listed as stolen and has no liens, it came back completely fine. It's getting time to renew the VT and I'm either going to do that, try to transfer to PA, or buy a titled frame. Any input or guidance would be MOST appreciated. Love this thread.
  12. D0N1

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    Gotta love Vermont! ALl states DMVs should be as simple. :clap

    My ATK 260LQ is now street legal thanks to the great folks at the DMV in Vermont. On the first try, I got a letter back stating that the amount I had sent in was incorrect and they wanted me to take my motorcycle to a Vermont DMV inspection station.

    Normally, I would have given up after saying to myself... Well, they're on to me. :evil They know that an ATK 260LQ is a strict dirt bike with no lights or safety equipment and can't possibly be street legal.

    However, I instead wrote them back a short letter stating that the bike has everything needed to be street legal (ok so I lied!? It will SOON have all needed lights after I put them on), it is over 15 years old and is under 300cc's so I was hoping to register it without too much redtape. I sent in a new check for the correct amount and the hand written letter & I waited.

    Today a heavy manilla envelope arrive from Vermont! :clapI dropped it by mistake and it made a metallic noise! Hmmm, what could that be?! [​IMG]

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  13. D0N1

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    Spitfire, yes you can transfer the VT registration to your state. That's the whole purpose of registering the bike in VT. Just walk into your DMV, make out the proper forms and tell them you'd like to register this motorcycle in your own state.

    SIMPLE. :freaky
  14. Tr25w

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    I don't have a title and want a call green sticker, can I still use this method ?
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    No. License plates are for street-legal bikes only, even in Vermont :)
  16. swooshdave

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    Has anyone successfully titled a bike in North Carolina with the Vermont registration? I've heard that NC is a pain in the ass.
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    Title laws are generally geared to prevent fraud- specifically the titling of stolen vehicles. You're not doing that.

    Technically, the old PA title was negated once the bike was registered in VT. Think of it as if VT sent you a title- the registration card is their legal process. If you bought the same bike outright in VT, this is all you'd have for PA. States are generally required to accept similar documents from other states, otherwise people moving could never change their stuff over.
  18. Paebr332

    Paebr332 Good news everyone!

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    I think what Spitfire (and others) is asking is has anyone done this in PA and if so did it work IN PENNSYLVANIA? The devil is in the details when it comes to legal issues.

    I too am very interested in the answer to that question. :evil
  19. Acwells

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    I recently did this with my 2000 tm racing 250. In two weeks I received my plate and temporary registration, a couple days later received the actual registration, and yesterday received a letter stating that my VIN does not meet VIN standards and I need to have it verified before they can finish processing my application. :hmmmmm
  20. Spitfire151

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    ^^Precisely!