How to get proof of ownership for a bike w/no title

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by D0N, Jan 28, 2011.

  1. C8Chris

    C8Chris Motard!

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    I got a 2006 Suzuki DR200 with no title. Using the helpful posts here, I got the Vermont plate and registration papers. The next day, I went down to the KY DMV and got my KY plate. My KY title will arrive in about four weeks.

    Here's my take on it.

    1) Make sure the VIN isn't hot. If the bike comes up stolen (they'll check NCIC), you've opened a huge can of worms. I had a friend who is a police officer run the VIN before even looking at the bike. That's good policy for any deal remotely off the beaten path. Sounds like there's some websites check that too, but I did not use them.

    2) I got the Vermont bill of sale, the Vermont odometer disclosure and the registration applications online from the Vermont DMV. Mine was under 300cc, so I didn't need a VIN verification documentation.

    3) TYPE in the information using the PDF format. It looks neater and gives no reason to second guess your paperwork. Paperwork sent back is yet another delay.

    4) I called a local dealer and used the NADA high trade in for tax purposes. If you get it wrong, they'll send it back. I wanted to avoid delays- particularly those quibbling over $15.

    5) Double check your VIN on the paperwork. Then check it again before mailing it. If you screw the pooch, pull out a mirror to yell at the person you should really be mad at. (Mine was fine)

    6) Took about ten days to get the plate and registration from Vermont. They were mailed together.

    7) When I went to the KY DMV, I let them know up front that this would be a little strange. I was friendly and firm, because in the end, I need the KY title and if I make a scene, I still wind up with no title.

    8) In KY, out of state vehicles need to be inspected. The deputy would not do without an official Vermont title. (Which of course, I don't have since Vermont will NOT title a vehicle under 300cc). I showed them the Vermont statute; still no go. I went to the court clerk's office (go early when it's slow) and they called the capital to confirm, yes, this is OK. They wrote me a note for the deputy.

    9) Long story short: be patient but firm with the DMV. Look for solutions. It's different from what they normally see. They originally asked me to have the Vermont DMV fax them stating this was proper documentation. Like I'll now have better luck getting two bureaucracies (instead of one) to get what I need. I politely nudged my local clerks to sort this out instead. They're much more likely to help you if you use a little style and good grace than arrogant belligerence. "Yeah, OK.... Now I need something from the pope too, Mr. Smart-still-got-no-title-in-your-hand--A$!&&."

    Yes, it should not be this hard. Politicians should not lie. We should all agree on the best motor oil.

    But these things will not happen in my lifetime (or any lifetime).

    In the meantime, this Vermont title dance worked out for me. I have a KY plate on my bike and a smile on my face.

    Thanks for your help! I'm proof-positive it can be done. :clap

    As a time line:

    Mailed VT paperwork 8/14
    VT mailed plate 8/22
    Went to KY DMV 8/27
    Got KY title 9/6

    Legal Eagle
  2. WECSOG

    WECSOG Been here awhile

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    Interesting. Perhaps a previous owner jumped through the hoops to register it and get it into the system. Or maybe your app showed up a half hour before quitting time on Friday! :rofl:rofl
  3. pgt400

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    Bike came from Miami, a MINT 2001 with only a couple hours use. PO did 2 tours in Iraq, bike was in storage 7 years. I bought with BOS only, no MSO. The VT app came back the 1st time saying I needed a VIN varification, I just sent it back with a pencil trace of the VIN and a signed statement from my local dealer...we have a notary at work. I then added lights, signals and supermoto trim. Now I have a BADASS 3rd gear wheelie machine! Just ordered 11:1 piston, stage 1 cam and pumper carb. Thats were Honda screwed up, this bike really should have had a pumper carb out the gate.
  4. WECSOG

    WECSOG Been here awhile

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    It was probably the dealer's statement that did the trick. That gives me an idea. A guy I went to school with owns a bike shop; maybe I can buy a couple of dual-sport parts from him and get him to sign a statement about my XR500R!
  5. the_lost_sauce

    the_lost_sauce n00b

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    what did you exactly ask of your dealer. If i can go through the a dealer to verify the vin that would be great.
  6. pgt400

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    First, I've bought at least 6 bikes there and BS with him reguarly. I asked him If he would visually confirm my VIN and sign a statement as such. I made up letterhead using his Biz card as referance. Then I pencil traced the vin, took the bike and paper in and had him look at it and sign. I had my sec notartize as a bonus. Guys, remember they are bureacrats....they are just looking for an offical looking doc for their file.
  7. Tr25w

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    what do you put down as body type? just the word motorcycle?
  8. WECSOG

    WECSOG Been here awhile

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    I used the word "motorcycle" but I think the DMV just uses "MC."
  9. SpeedoJosh

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    That's good to hear. An XR650R doesn't meet the 15 year mark though. Curious how you got around that.
  10. pgt400

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    I think by mistake I may have put 250cc on the application. I'd have to double check.:eek1
  11. mort71

    mort71 Ride on !!!

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    Bought a 1976 Harely SS-125 with 962 miles, and YES no title, for $100 bucks, just so I can try the Vermont DMV route. So my motorcycle friends please give me the how to info on getting a plate and registration. I read it months ago many pages back but could not find it again, THANKS for any help !!!!
  12. pgt400

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    Since they don't check the VIN for displacement, they sure won't be checking your barrel. And if they did check the VIN....it won't matter if you sleeved it down to 50cc.
  13. elquicko

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    Man, first of all thanks for everyone who shared this advice... I'm glad I'm not alone in this unfortunate situation.


    One question though. Everyone is saying if you don't have a bill of sale "buy" it from your friend... well, there's one part that says "Title number" if I don't have a title where do I find this "Title number"? Thanks...
  14. gmansyz

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    Okay, I tried. With my Title to the HP for the VIN verification. They wouldn't even look as they stated, it is not my bike yet.
    I think my mistake was going with the title.
    I am now thinking I should have gone with the Bill O Sale.
    I may explore the dealership with a BOS next. But am considering to wash my hands of it and trim my projects back.
    Laters
    Greg
  15. pgt400

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    My XR650R 2001, had a 17 digit vin.
  16. WECSOG

    WECSOG Been here awhile

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    I don't see where you are reading that. But if your bike is under 300cc and/or over 15 years old it doesn't require a title, so you can safely leave that blank or write "N/A" in the box.
  17. TUCKERS

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    Your're right. Nuke your posts, I did.
  18. pgt400

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    After 2 years of riding my XR650R in NJ with VT tags I decided to hit the DMV and swap over to NJ title, tags and reg. The lady asked me where was my title, I told her VT doesn't title bikes under 650cc. She just said oh, ok! Doubled the value of my bike in 15 minutes.
  19. pgt400

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    Wow, great day at the DMV's. Got home today an my VT tag and reg came in for my 1971 DT250! Funny, I keep checking my bank and they still have not cashed my check?? Oh, well sure they will.
  20. Spiderpig19

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    Not sure if someone asked for this already but is it possible for someone to paste the links of the proper forms from VT's DMV website? that would be flippin amazing!