How to get proof of ownership for a bike w/no title

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by D0N, Jan 28, 2011.

  1. EvoLife

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    Just got mine today, I'm really excited! Thanks guys
  3. DomR8699

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    are you guys selecting plate type: new or replacement?
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  5. soflrider

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    Anyone from Florida have advice on the vin verification portion? I have an 86 vt1100, vin is clean. Will the VT vin form signed by a local leo with his business card attached be ok? The local pd said they dont provide a letter on letterhead when doing a vin check. So hopefully someone from Florida has done this and can tell me what they did.
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    If VT doesn't have a designated VIN verification form, I'm sure a Florida one would work. Call up VT and ask if they have one, or if they'd except a FL one.
  7. pgt400

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    I just used a local dealers letter head. Wrote it up, did a VIN pencil trace and asked him to varify the VIN on my bike to the Trace. I had it notorized at my work. Do the letter yourself...make it EASY for your dealer! Look and sign 10 seconds. Remember....they just need something offical for their file. The WORST that will happen is they will return it and ask for more.
  8. stonny9

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    Gonna try this for a 2008 Chinese 49cc scooter. Was bought new in NC with no paperwork about 4 years ago. My uncle gave it to me with 117 miles on it and I brought it to South Florida. Florida wont register/title it without either an MSO or court order. Scooter is only worth $300 with a title.


    Update: Got the plate in the mail and a temporary registration form. FYI the minimum tax amount is calculated at a $500 value no matter how little you paid. You can call Vermont DMV and they can look up the value for the tax amount. Only cost me $51 as it was under 50cc. Uncle is gonna send in for a couple bikes he has had for 20 years that he got from our cousin who has been dead for several years.
  9. pgt400

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    It will be fine as long as you have a VIN. Just write up a BOS. Be sure and look up the NDA book value and use it to calculate the use tax and not the actual price you paid. If its too low they will turn the papers back.
  10. jmantz

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    I am going to go about doing this pretty soon here. Recently purchased a klr 250 without a title. I'm working on filling out the proper information. Part 1A is titled "Transaction Type". Which type am I trying to do? New, Transfer, Renew, Lost, Stolen, Seized, or IRP Tax and Title? Thanks for any help in advance! Also does anyone know if this means of getting a title still works? Thanks!
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  12. pgt400

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    There won't be any issues...VT's reg is the TITLE...other states HAVE to accept it. I did 3 bikes in NJ....NJ is one of the NAZI DMV states!!
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    Not true,,,,, I know of 2 bikes with VT titles and NYS DMV says they will not accept them for registration NY. :deal
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    Unfortunately you can talk with five different people with the state around here and get five different answers. Required to accept something from another state? I will believe it when I see it and then it still doesn't mean I can go to this window on this day and deal with a different person and not have issues.

    If it works for you that's great but I want to hear about someone in this state, hence the question.
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    Bull, they didn't try hard enough. I had to have them ask a superviosr at the window. There arent many titleless states left....you have to help them a bit.

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    Awesome thread, happy to see VT willing to take the funds and help people with legit bikes.

    I'm curious to know how you guys think this would work out. I bought a basket case dirt bike that was last registered in here in California about 3 years ago. This thing changed hands several times and somewhere along the way the title was lost. Not only that, but there are back fees because nobody bothered to place it on non-op. Before I spend a bunch of money fixing it up, I'd like to know that I can register it and get a green sticker. So, if I were to register in VT and then back in CA, wouldn't they say "hey wait a second dude, we already have a bike with that VIN registered here; bring us the title and a check"..?
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    So this (sorta) happened to me about 5 years ago. I bought a bike in Washington State. Two years later, I moved to California, where the bike had originally come from. The previous owner had forgotten to tell DMV that he and the bike left the state about four years before. Oops.

    It took the clerk about 25 seconds to clear the vehicle record and give me a plate. You might have a little more fun convincing them since VT doesn't title, but vehicles coming in from out of state are treated as if they're new--in addition to the previous owner's fees disappearing, the VLF basis resets based on what you paid for it (on a vehicle that's never left CA, the VLF is based on what it cost new even if it's had seven owners). The registration cycle resets as well, with the registration now expiring on the date you reported that you first operated it in CA or the date you're at the DMV, whichever's earlier. Even if you somehow had the old plate, you get a new one. Note, of course, that if the fees are in your name this will not work.

    However.... Vermont only registers street legal bikes, so you can't do anything about a bike that's not street legal (i.e. green/red sticker). You'd have to find a state that registers but does not title off-road bikes and does not require you to be a resident to do so. A lot of states don't register off-road bikes at all, and not every state that registers them titles them.
  18. WVhillbilly

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    Did you ever title/tag this in FL?
    I bought a $250 scooter there and it cost me almost $200 to get plates for it :huh
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    Very interesting, and thanks a bunch for the reply. What I may try to do then, is send the paperwork to try and get a plate, then send a letter similar to the fellow with the Berg when they kick it back, then surrender the plates for a green sticker when I register in California...assuming I'm lucky enough to get that far. Or...just wait for a CA titled frame to pop up on fleabay and swap everything over.
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    Ummm,,, yeah right.

    In our local DMV office the County Clerk is often at one of the windows. He is exceptional in that he is there to help people get things done and not make it tougher for them. Both of these bikes were run through him and after making some to calls to try to get it done (not just prove himself to be correct) it wasn't possible. Both bikes were originally off road only bikes made street legal and registered in VT. One has a title, the other a transferrable registration. Once the VIN were checked in the system to be off road,,,,, the DMV didn't care what paperwork they had. :deal