How to get proof of ownership for a bike w/no title

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by D0N, Jan 28, 2011.

  1. Roland3

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    thats what i thought too or i prob would not have attempted it. I wonder if they can look up that it was a title vehicle in ny originally and need to see it? Im calling Monday and hope its a mistake other wise its probably over. the form they sent requires some official to inspect the vin and there is a spot for the title number on the form. i doubt anyone in NY would actually do this for me
  2. WECSOG

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    It might work to get someone at a dealership to do it.
    I'm currently faced with a similar situation on a military truck. Luckily, I have a friend who is a retired cop, and is also a military vehicle buff. He says he can do the VIN verification for me. I hope it works.
  3. wardie

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    I said I would follow up when I heard something from Vermont DMV. They sent my paperwork back because I did not include enough tax. It looks like when I resend the check it will be good to go. Sending everything out Monday.
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    Why not make it easier for them, and do a VIN search yourself on the NY DMV? At the very least it will show if and when the title was issued in NY State. That might speed the process up.

    http://www.dmv.ny.gov/%5C/titlestat/default.html
  5. Roland3

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    yes it does, and i did that before i bought the bike to check if it was stolen or had a lien, all it says is titled issued in 1999, a investigator ran the vin for me and said it came up nothing, never registered or anything,so im wondering if vermont knows it was a titled vehicle by checing ny laws or if they see the same thing i do? because their website says 15 years or older no title is issued.

    how does this info help them speed anything up?
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    Don't know man, just thinking out loud. Bureaucrats just need something official looking 99% of the time. I figured maybe if they saw your VIN and accessed the NY info, they'd see no bad hits on it and that would speed it up (No VIN Verification.

    I was under the impression the DMV has more information than the public. There's gotta be some interstate system they use to check vehicle status.
  7. Mgbgt89

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    They'll plate it I'm guessing. I plated an IT200 no problem.
  8. wardie

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    When I receive my Vemont plates I'm going to ride on them for a year and when they go to expire I'll go down to courthouse and get a title.

    As a primer what questions will the Ohio title bureau ask me or will they just take my registration and make a title. Seems unlikely they wouldn't ask why I plated it in Vermont as an Ohio resident..anyone have the answers to the questions? Wardie
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    Questions like that would be met with silence from me. I don't owe them an answer. If they gave me any hassle at all, I would just renew the registration in Vermont for two more years.
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    I just came back from a trip and the plate was waiting for me. Thanks again all for the help guys.
  11. MVBrutaleRider

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    just a question on this. I am planning on doing this technique on a bike I have found... the question, however, is this:

    The bike is a 95. The owner filed for BK in 97 and the lender on the bike chose to write-off the bike instead of taking possession. He supposedly has a letter or something from the lender.

    Does this mean if I try the VT registration route, that I will get my paper work back because of a possible lien against it still? shouldn't be after 17 years I would presume. I have never dealt with a situation like this before.

    Any insight would be great on the title issue.

    Thanks
    - Justin
  12. wardie

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    I got my Vermont plate and a temporary registration . The Temporary registration said I would receive new one in mail in less than 10 days. There ya go plated XR 250 R.


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  13. wardie

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    The lien is there until the lien holder removes it. This is an official document you have to physically go to court house and sign papers removing the lien. It definitely doesn't go away or disappear. What do you to lose by following through sending in paperwork? Worse case they send it back with formal note telling you the property is liened.
  14. SilkMoneyLove

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    I agree that you should try it. Back in 95-97 everything was still paper with just a basic database to keep records. It is very likely this has fallen off the radar and will come back clean. Original lien holder might not even be in business anymore.
    If this were a 2005 I would say you would be out of luck, but a 95 I would give a shot.
    Good luck!
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  17. greg2015

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    Hi all,
    I'm down here in sweaty Fl (apologies to people in blizzards), just sent VT my $74 ($44 reg fee, $30 tax fee 6% of the minimum $500 purchase price) for an attempted Fl title on a Yammy 1978 DT250. Will post back with my success/failure... :)

    Also, just to clarify, and forgive me if this has mentioned, but the overall goal here is to obtain a title, so the plan of attack is to walk in the FL DMV with my VT registration/tag and surrender it for a FL title?? If so, the reason they would concur to do this is because VT doesn't title bikes under 300 cc's?? Am I understanding the whole process correctly? Has anyone here successfully obtained a FL title here?

    Thanks in advance.
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  18. stonny9

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    I would say it should work. I sent in for a 2005 50cc scooter a few months ago with no problem. I had zero paperwork from purchase as non was given to me when bought new by a family member from a country gas station. It was from NC who keeps no records on 50cc and a tag isnt required. I just made uoba bill of sale and had local police fill out my state inspection for vin inspection.
  19. greg2015

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    stonny, I see you're from Fl, have you successfully obtained a title for anything? Or just a transferred registration?
    If so, what did you have in your hands when you got title?
  20. stonny9

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    My scooter is 50cc so all I received in the mail was temp registration and tag then a couple weeks later the paper registration. VT does not issue titles for 50cc. I am unsure of other sizes bikes/scooters.

    I have not tried to transfer anything to florida as my registration was paid for a year so I am just riding it out. I may have gotten a refund but didnt want to waste it if I didnt or cause any poss flags by transferring it so quick. But I dont foresee any real problem but I will bring the VT rules for ownership when I go as before I went the VT reg route I got the run around about no paperwork even though I got it from NC and they keep/require zero records.

    I will be sure to post my results in 5 months when my reg runs out.