How to get proof of ownership for a bike w/no title

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by D0N, Jan 28, 2011.

  1. WECSOG

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    Someone mentioned South Dakota. Check this out: http://rapidcityjournal.com/news/so...cle_3d0515e8-7d34-11df-b02e-001cc4c002e0.html

    That article is from 2010. Hopefully the then-new law demanding that people disclose homes they maintain in other states (so SD can report them to those other states) has been repealed, but I doubt it.
    Based on this information, any future plans to set foot in or send any of my money to SD are hereby canceled.
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    Per the Supreme Court, a mail-forwarding service IS a legal address. (The case was regarding the Texas-based Escapees.) I don't think this will go far.
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    I hope you're right.
  4. Mears

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    I will be going through the Vermont registration process with the end goal of titling an abandoned 1999 zx6-r in Maryland. So far I have done the following:

    1. Paid $25 for a full VIN report to verify the bike has not been reported stolen.
    2. Taken the bike with form VT-010 to the local State Trooper barracks and had the officer on duty fill out the VIN verification portion. No cost.

    Will update as I progress!
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  5. FTL900

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    I did the Vermont thing a couple of years ago, on an older XT225. The first time I sent the wrong amount and they mailed it back to me. The second time they sent me a license plate and registration.

    I sure wish more states would adopt the Washington state policy concerning lost or missing titles. You take the vehicle and have the VIN inspected, and when it doesn't come up hot or stolen, they issue you registration. After you register it 3 years, they'll issue a title. It makes it SO much easier.
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    Just so I understand correctly: Those of you that are successfully registering your bikes out of state in Vermont receive a plate, tags, registration and an actual Vermont title or just tags and a plate plus registration?
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    Plate and registration. The year of the vehicle, older than 15 years, depends whether you get a title or a transferable registration. Also Vermont doesn't issue titles for motorcycle under 300cc, just a transferable registration.
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    Bigfeet428 Been here awhile

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    Can anyone tell me if the 15 year cutoff on titles in Vermont is a moving bar? As in I have a 2003 Honda that will be 15 years old after the first of the year will it qualify then? TIA
  9. Mears

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    Best to call and ask.
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    Yes, it is a moving bar.
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  11. Mears

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    Update on my '99 ZX6-R progress: Forms mailed out 02 November. Plates showed up 22 November.
    *Edit. Still no registration or stickers as of 01 December. Called VT DMV and they stated that the paperwork can follow as late as two weeks.
    *Edit #2. Registration and sticker showed up on 04 December.
    #Edit #3. Despite some initial confusion the MVA took the VT registration, $158, and in exchange gave me a registration. Title in the mail. Great success!

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    I just downloaded the forms and it's super confusing. Did you have help filling them out?I could use a guide.
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    I have a custom Bultaco street bike that uses the frame from a '77 Pursang 370 Mk 10 Model #193. I bought it from a salvage yard off Ebay without paperwork 6 years ago. I'm putting together a Sherpa S 200 motor to go in it. Unfortunately, if Vermont is savvy enough to decode the frame number (193 is the serial number prefix) I'm afraid it will get kicked back both for being an off-road bike and for displacing more than 300cc's, even though neither of those are actually the case. How strict are they on bike ID?

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    Some states allow out-of-state residents to register vehicles - on the premise that the vehicle is garaged within the state where it's registered. As in, say, a vacation home that you have a truck at. It's expected that the vehicle have local plates if it's there all the time.

    State laws differ. Some do; some do not. When I bought my GL500, the owner transferred registration to me...Washington assigns plates to vehicles and transfers owners. So, for a short time, I had Washington registration as a Montana owner.
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    @JackDaBurby

    I posted this as a 'how-to' a few pages ago:

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    Here's a new twist. What about going through VT to re-title a "Non-Repairable" title?

    I'm looking at all of the bikes for sale from insurance companies due to Hurricane Harvey flooding. Lots of these bikes are brand new, with <100 miles on them, run and drive, and appear to be unaffected.....but have received Texas "Non-Repairable" titles due to the flooding. Basically, they got water up to the axle (water line is marked on the bikes), but no water in the electronics or engine. The dealer got nervous about selling a "flood bike," and decided to total them.

    By definition, a "non-repairable" title means that it's for parts or scrap only. But I can't imagine scrapping a brand new bike just because it got wet! Could you legally throw out the Texas title, get an inspection, and go to VT for registration? Remember that these motorcycles are new, typically 2014+, so they don't fit the >15 year rule.

    I suppose an alternative would be to buy a FRAME from a 15+ year old bike and swap everything over, then apply with VT. So you'd essentially have a brand new 2017 bike registered as a 1999. Won't work for some of the new-tech stuff, but I think most Harleys have had the same frames for the last 20 years!
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    Washington state has an interesting loophole for bikes with no title. You take it there and get the VIN inspected. Assuming it's clean, they register the bike for you, and after 3 uncontested years of registration, they'll issue a title.
    I wish more states did that, Nevada won't even talk to you about helping with title problems, they just wash their hands of it and say NO.
  18. Marcham

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    You all have a ridiculous system south of the border... In Canada the registration and ownership documents are the same... My wife could register my truck but her papers would show me as the owner. The only thing one has to check when buying is whether or not there is a lean on the vehicle... And that can easily be done online in most provinces.



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    Hopefully not... If it was that easy the market would be flooded with vehicles that suffered flood damage but the history would not show up as such and some buyers would have real expensive problems in the future with potentially unsafe vehicles.

    Insurance most likely paid out the dealers and insurance had the vehicles marked as non repairable. Another option is that the inventory was still owned by the manufacturer while sitting on the dealer floor and they don't want to deal with potential liability or warranty problems in the future.

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    Well, sure, I completely understand that. I totally see the purpose of the type of title. Water damage can be hidden pretty easily with a good scrub down and cause someone a huge problem later.......

    ............but with a bike, in the situations you mentioned above, you've got a brand new vehicle that realistically didn't incur any real damage that is now listed as "scrap." It seems like such a waste to be forced to scrap a brand new motorcycle with 6 miles on it because it got water on the chain.