How to safely remove a helmet after a crash

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by Offcamber, May 30, 2012.

  1. Offcamber

    Offcamber Long timer

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    Sorry if this is 205 thought it was good info...

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  2. FirstPath

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    Unless your an EMT/Trained ER person I would leave the helmet on and let the pros remove it. Comfort and compression for bleeding are one thing but I'd hate to make a neck/head/spine injury worse.

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  3. Oilybimmer

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    I have been trained in helmet removal by the North West Ambulance service, even as a longtime helmet wearer it is surprisingly difficult to do, it goes some way to redeem my choice of a flip front job.
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  4. Heyload

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    I had an old Shoei that was designed for just such an instance. It had a top part made of fiberglass and the bottom ring was some sort of DuPont plastic..there was a rubber gasket thing that held it all together to make a full face helmet.

    I think the idea was that an EMT could pull out the rubber ring and remove the top three quarters of the helmet without pulling on the neck, then simply cut off the plastic bottom part.

    Never put it to the test, and it was retired years ago. But kind of a neat idea, if that really was the reasoning behind it.

    Edit: Pretty sure it was a Shoei TF280
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    :stupid
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  6. orangebear

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    i would never take off a persons helmet who has been in a crash an less they stop breathing and you need to give them month to month. because if you dont slid off the helmet right you can do more harm than good.

    i was told that on the last 1st aid cource i did
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  7. Offcamber

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    Did you watch the video??...that's the first thing he says...however if there is issue breathing sever bleeding etc...then its a good idea to know how to do it correctly
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    I cornerwork at the track and we are told to NEVER remove the riders helmet, but there is always an EMT on site.

    Once I was even told "if a rider goes down and takes off his helmet do whatever you can to make him put his helmet back on, throw rocks, yell whatever":lol3
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  9. Goran69

    Goran69 MNE

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    Both parties are right. DO NOT remove the helmet....unless you really have to...And then its a good idea to watch this video....But that would be the last thing I would do.
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  10. henrymartin

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    True story:

    Once in Spain, I was on a bus. We stopped because there was a bike crash in front of the bus. The first person at the scene ran to the rider, unhooked the helmet strap, and pulled the helmet off. As soon as the helmet came off the head, the skull separated, almost right in the middle.

    I don't know what kind of speed and impact were involved, but it was pretty nasty to look at. The EMT arrived a few seconds too late I guess, because they shut the siren off as soon as they checked the rider out.
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  11. SportFaller

    SportFaller Dirt dont hurt, MUCH

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    Interesting system
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  12. Offcamber

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    Very cool idea and it looks like its easily installed in any helmet....I'd buy one.
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  13. SportFaller

    SportFaller Dirt dont hurt, MUCH

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    My ambulance service is in the middle of the Black Hills, and we were talking about putting these on the ambulances since we have so many motorcycle related runs, especially during Sturgis rally week.

    but Harley riders dont wear helmets, so we bought scoop shovels.:D
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  14. tvpierce

    tvpierce Been here awhile

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    Great video!

    It's clearly stated that removing the helmet is a last resort... but if it becomes necessary, it's good to at least have some idea of how to do it properly.

    Thanks for posting.
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  15. MADurstewitz

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    I have stickers on my helmet that say not to remove helmet unless you are a doctor, etc. It's an Arai XD and the padding can be taken out while the helmet is on my head so it can then be removed safely.
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  17. Bill Harris

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    Good thread.

    Although we shouldn't remove the helmet of a crash victim and wait til the EMTs arrive, there may be situations where the helmet needs to come off and the EMTs may not be forthcoming. In this case, it would be better to know how to remove the helmet than guess.

    Good video.
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  18. Offblnz

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    See, this is exactly the problem with videos like that, that they make people think that they can go ahead and do it because they saw it on the internet.
    These two guys are professionals and trained and they're showing the best case scenario of a rider lying straight on his back unconscious and they have done this a lot of times and know each other well. You (you here used in its broad generic term) coming up to an accident where the rider is unconscious, lying perfectly on his/her back, calling over a bystander to help you get the helmet off while the adrenalin is pumping and you're trying to do something you've only seen on youtube is as close to idiotic as humanly possible.
    If you're not trained, leave the helmet on. There's plenty of room to make sure the airways are free and that is all an untrained first responder should worry about.
    I have a hard time understanding why they would put up a video like this. I can't really think of a reason to take the helmet off unless you're trained in doing so.

    Secure the accident area.
    Make sure the airways are clear.
    Check for vital signs.
    Call for help or delegate it to someone else if there is one.

    You can be in a world of hurt if you try to play EMT without even a first aid course behind you and worse, you can put another person in a world of hurt accidentally.
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  19. farqhuar

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    You are mistaken then. The problem with flip fronts is that there is insufficent clearance for the helmet to be removed without first flipping. A group of us almost lost a rider drowning in his own blood inside his helmet after he had a headon with an oncoming vehicle. The lock on the flip front jammed as a result of the collision and even the ambulance team could not remove the (schubert) helmet. Ultimately we had to wait for the fire brigade to arrive with their cutting tools to saw the front of the helemt off.
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  20. atomicalex

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    This is a really good idea. :thumb Put the p-Touch to work.

    I occasionally track cars with a Corvette club in MI, and my VW track club is adopting one of their rules: Helmet must have stickers (preferably p-Touch or other durable labeling device) with Name, Blood type, and Insurance numbers on the left side (facing driver's window), and "Do Not Remove Helmet" on both sides. I think they do this in LeMons, now, too. My bike helmet has all of this info on it, too, along with "Privat Versicherung" - "private health insurance" - so I get a decent bed in the hospital in Germany if I (FSM forbid) ever need one. :deal
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