How to safely remove a helmet after a crash

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by Offcamber, May 30, 2012.

  1. Offcamber

    Offcamber Long timer

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    To educate people on how to do it WHEN NECESSARY to preserve life....

    What if the person isn't breathing or choking on there own blood??....pretty hard to give mouth to mouth through a helmet...

    I guess you would wait till the ambulance arrived while the person died when CPR could have been administered and saved them. It clearly states to not remove the helmet unless absolutely necessary....better to have some idea on how to do it than none at all.

    As someone who has worked emergency services in a Fire Department and the Coast Guard I can tell you there are plenty of instances where removing a helmet would be necessary to save someone.

    What I don't understand is how someone who rides would not want this knowledge....
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  2. Bill Harris

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    Good points, Offcamber. Sometimes action is necessary to save a life. Certainly no one is advocating performing heart surgery after watching an Internet video, but with proper training (either previous or proposed) it is good to know the technique.
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  3. tvpierce

    tvpierce Been here awhile

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    As a rule... "world of hurt" trumps dead! :thumb Just sayin'.
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  4. ThatGuy

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    Thats crazy! Starts to make you rethink your equipment.
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  5. ray h

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    probably the easiest helmet to remove is a 1/2 helmet, that doesnt make them the best choice. The truth is, when in a motorcycle crash, its all a crap shoot anyway. The best you can do is play the odds and hope for the best. The odds say the more between your body and the road, vehicle, gaurdrail, pole, ect the better off you will be in a crash. Those are just odds, there is always the chance that less may be best if you are a gambling man.
    As for "never remove the helmet, just check for vitals". Whats the point in checking vitals if you arent going to remove the helmet. So if you loss the pulse or the breathing stops, ?????? You just stare at the unconscience dieing victim and say "sorry, cant remove your helmet". Thats the problem with sayinjg "never".
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  6. Grreatdog

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    When I was doing rescue work we didn't remove a helmet unless we really needed to. If you were breathing OK and reasonably stable then I strapped your helmet to a back board and loaded you in the bus still wearing it. I didn't do anything not absolutely necessary to stabilize somebody for the trip to the ER.

    That said, my station was way out in the boonies so I also did some pretty gruesome quick and dirty things to keep people alive long enough for my EMT's to get there. I often didn't have to luxury of time or finesse. My only job then was to keep somebody breathing long enough to get them to the pros or for the pros to get to them.

    That is still how I see first aid. If you will be OK long enough for the pros to arrive I will leave the hard stuff to them. If not, I am going to do whatever needs to be done to keep somebody alive. If I have to remove a helmet to do CPR so be it. Risk of further injury does indeed trump dead everytime.
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  7. UnsureFooting

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    When I had my wreck, I took my helmet off, as I didn't hit my head or even go down. The paramedic asked me to put it back on and I told him to shove it.
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  8. 250senuf

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    Any explanation given for wanting you to put the helmet back on? :huh
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  9. GeckoRider

    GeckoRider Been here awhile

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    Probably trying to cover his a$$, in case UnsureFooting had a nasty head injury (closed skull) and went unconscious in to a coma and never recovered. It'd be UnsureFooting's family trying to sue and without unbiased witness to the fact he took it off not the medic, etc, etc.

    Or he was a new medic.
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  10. Offcamber

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    yeah I can't see any logical or medical reason to put it back on. You'd do more damage putting it on rather than just stabilizing the neck.
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  11. UnsureFooting

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    Yeah. I also bitched him out for trying to make me put a c-collar on. Then, when I consented, I had to show HIM how to use it right, lol.
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  12. max384

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    It should also be noted that literally zero of the modular/flip-up helmets are SNELL rated. There's a reason that they're not; they can't pass their more stringent [than DOT] testing.

    In the case of the paramedic, he was probably new and nervous and/or incompetent. There's no good reason to put the helmet back on.

    In the case of the corner worker being told to tell them to put it back on, it's likely in case of another accident at the track that could collide with the downed rider.

    Unless absolutely necessary, DO NOT remove a downed rider's helmet. However, that's only because of the possible damage that could be caused while removing it. If it's already off, it's a ludicrous suggestion to put it back on. Absolutely terrible advice to do such a thing. You would then have to contend with the possibility of injury due to putting it back on and then taking it back off again. I'm actually quite speechless that a paramedic would suggest such a thing.
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  13. fallingoff

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    Common sense. I've seen many silly things done by good samaritans, some who want to be heros.
    I know a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing but the more we learn (safe removal of helmet)
    the less dangerous we can learn to be.

    Once when riding came across single bike mva, poor rider was choking, no body would touch the
    helmet, I loosened the chin strap therefore no choking.
    Waited for the ambulance.

    take care

    cheers

    Q
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