Husaberg 570 vs KTM 530 adventuring

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by kzeb, Feb 8, 2013.

  1. Foot dragger

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    Auto de-compressing unit? What goes wrong with those?

    The dual sump seems to work just swimmingly on most of these bikes,I dont give it a thought.
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  2. Foot dragger

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    That all makes sense,Ive been out riding in Nevada and had the fuel either boil or get close to it,I understand a fuel pump doesnt work well at that point,high perf singles make heat at slow speeds,no way around it,all that heat radiates up under the tank. FI is challenged on dirt bikes where as on an everyday vehicle it just goes right along. Then the tiniest amount of silt in the fuel can bring FI to a stop.
    Heat/Dirt...they happen often with dirtbikes. Some how my 530 runs great at sea level,and goes up to 8500 and higher still running good,these fancy new carbs have a lot of development time in them.
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  3. G Goat

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    Quote From DJH on KTMTALK "It is basically the piston cylinder of a 570 Huseberg and yes they run super, I would recomend the 570 cam as is has the ADC advanced 10 degrees for easier starting. (Note this cam came in the 530s in 2011) so if your 530 is an 08-10 budjet a cam or the starter will struggle to turn the engine over"

    Taken from this thread: http://ktmtalk.com/index.php?showtopic=466773

    I have a 2010 cam in my 530, with no starting issues. I think he is suggesting the 2011 cam with the 570 or 610 conversion.
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  4. G Goat

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    The link I posted above will give some info regarding the 570 conversion. You mentioned the KTM 570SX conversion in you PM.
    I believe you need to split the case open doing the KTM unit, but not so with the Thumper Racing 570. Thumper Racing also is the only guy I am aware of to do the single sump conversion. I have not done it on my bike.
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  5. Navin

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    I stole the posts recommended to me for top end rebuild in the big 530 thread. It is super simple to rebuild. I'll try to link the posts with the good links. On my 570 cam it just wasn't working, dealer credited it to a weak spring. These things are fragile and work on a wing & a prayer. My 09 530 never had a starting problem with the stock cam, a later style might be better but I never felt the starter was laboring at all.

    I'll post my results in the 530 thread, just adding the 41mm carb was a big difference, I expect it to be as barky as the Burg or more so after the build.

    I love the split oil sumps, I upgraded to the latest O rings and minor bits in Hodakaguy's thread just to prevent ever having a problem. My trans oil is ATF and comes out clear red with few impurities. The engine oil is never full of specks of metal like my 525 and 520 were. Good luck prying all the details out of the engine builders on this sump mod. You can find the cut away you need to make but the venting requires more mods. I'll avoid it till I need a crank, if that day ever comes.
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  6. kzeb

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    Maybe I am getting this wrong, ehh....:shog
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  7. Navin

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  8. Hair

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    I put 150 hrs on a 570 with no show stopping problems.

    570 good points.
    Better (like way better) electrics. Stronger battery, rectifier, relays on everything. Just better all around.

    More power.

    Combined motor and transmission oil. Plus a sump. It's a way better setup than the KTM.

    Negatives:

    Hard to get aftermarket parts for, i.e. fuel tank, rear rack.
    Runs hotter. Heat is captured between the motor and the sub frame.

    I owned a KTM 530 for a couple months. Even though the valves were set correctly. That bike was a killer to start when warm. It stranded me in the middle of no where a few times.

    The berg started and ran all the time. Besides there are really nice 570 on CL and the flea market for 6500 to 7500. That is a good price.
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  9. Lost Rider

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    Interesting thread, glad I've been able to help in a round about way for making your decision harder. :evil

    I've never owned a KTM so I won't speculate as to it's long haul adventuring motor's reliability, but I will share a few highlights of why I'm very happy with the Husa 70º.

    In less than a year I've put over 13,000 miles with 310 hours on the motor, never had any issues that weren't user caused. I obviously spent a fair amount of time moving fast to get that many miles in such short amount of hours, lots of highway miles and many more gravel road miles, I like to change scenery in single rides, camp in a different place each night and not involved a 4 wheeled vehicle most of the time. :evil
    With that, my valves are still in spec after the original break in service, all I've done is change the oil, sometimes putting 2800+ miles between an oil change due to do inability to change the oil where I was at the time. (Baja, TAT, etc) I've had all of my high mile oil analyzed and have yet to have any disturbing reports, running Motorex 4T Power Synth. Most of those reports are posted in the Husa Traveler thread.
    The ride that sicks out as the most punishing was 2000 miles riding to and then the western part of the TAT, then due to sudden work coming up I rode 850 miles in a single day, all at interstate speeds back to LA from Oregon, on already old oil.... brutal on the motor. Similar experience when I rode to Baja, then pre-ran the 1000 course, then rode it back rom LaPaz, that last 600 miles of so being interstate.

    No issues, and the oil analysis from BlackStone Labs came back obviously worn but still providing adequate lubrication. No red flags.


    The user caused issues have been:

    I've had a clogged injector, caused by me being sloppy and not following instructions to use wash caps on the fuel quick release lines. I also had removed the new and improved factory fuel filter that located just before the injector while trouble shooting a starting issue that turned out to be a loose battery terminal. It was clogged by introducing dirt into the system via quick release while not have the OEM filter in place. Since then I have put the OEM filter back in line and added a Profill filter on the fuel pump and have had zero issues with any other fuel related things. It's best to just leave it alone.

    I stripped the splines on the counter shaft, most likely from being stupid enough to not invest in a cush hub and riding the bike pretty hard on pavement, or too tight of chain, or other things I did to the bike.
    When the engine recently was apart, they replaced the piston rings that did show some wear, not enough to necessarily need to be replaced soon, but with how I rack up the miles quickly it was wise to replace them while in there already. Everything else in the motor was normal, and solid.
    I then had a rocker arm seize to the shaft due to a blockage of an oil gallery from case sealant from when the motor was put back together after replacing counter shaft.
    The bike is all fixed now and going strong, and with a cush hub I expect many more trouble free miles from the Husa.

    For me, the FI 70º motor is proving to be just perfect for my Adventures, getting 50+mpg on then highway(@70) slightly less on gravel roads, and still great milage on tight single track trails. Consistent running at any elevation, in any temperatures. With the Safari front tank I can squeeze 200 miles when need be, and sometime carry a MSR bag clipped to my backpack to get even further out there and Lost. I can stretch the oil changes out when need be and drone along an interstate all day without worrying about blowing the motor, or needing to doing major maintenance when I get home. I run 14/45 gearing most of the time.

    I have replaced the cam chain tensioner with a Dirt Tricks one.

    I can run heated jacket, heated grips, have 55W HID and additional LED lights with all the electrical power it makes OEM, it rides as good on the highway as it does on the trail with a super smooth motor, it is low maintenance, lightweight, powerful and has been very reliable.

    Jimmy Lewis told me last year while in DV that he had 500 (woods trail) hours on his Husa and after a tear down inspection nothing needed to be replaced.

    It's too bad they don't make them anymore, the word is really getting out as more and more people rack up the hours or miles about how good these motors are for the long haul, glad I have mine and wont be yearning for another ADV bike for quite a while. :wink:

    Good luck with your decision.



    And a favorite Husa photo of mine, since I tend to like sharing visuals. :evil




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  10. G Goat

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    The 570 husaberg also has the best located air filter, up high for water crossings.
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  11. Navin

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    And the worst injector access ever to go with it! Here's my favorite Burger pic of my kid on one of the few days the fuel pump was working.

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  12. Lost Rider

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    Holy cow that's a great photo and some serious air! :clap

    I wish I had the skill and courage to ride like that, thanks for reminding me what this bike can do (in the right hands) since most of the time I have at least one wheel on the ground when buzzing around.


    Sorry to keep hearing about your issues, I hope you figure them out (then leave it alone) :evil and have as much seat (or air!) time of worry free riding as I have.
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  13. Navin

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    We are going to give it another go this season since it is running better than ever and nobody wants to buy it anyway. :lol3

    Resale is right on par with Husqvarna, that is not praise BTW! :1drink

    The second generation of this bike might have been awesome, but I don't think the race team was too fond of wrenching on it either. It wasn't quite ready for prime time IMO. Trapped heat, poor access underhood, fuel capacity, wasted space.
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  14. darkstarmoto

    darkstarmoto Am I evil? Yes I am

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    That's a good read. So it sounds like the 09-10 cam at least fixes the d/c being completely backwards in 08...BUT the 2011 cam also includes the 10° ADC advance which further helps hard starting issues. I wonder if it's really worth the upcharge if you've already gone to the trouble of updating the stator to all DC and use a better battery?
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  15. Foot dragger

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    I dont know much about the cams in 08/09/10/11 530's but my 2011 530 can sit here for almost a month and fire right away when I want to go somewhere on it. It takes a few turns of the starter if its been in the 30's at night but that's normal. Something told me to stick with the carb and get the newest 530 I could,so far its been good. Im not quite sold on FI for dirt riding way out in the middle of nowhere,and it runs so well with just jetting/muffler swap.
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    It sounds like that Husaberg has worked out great for you,high perf bike that goes everywhere and goes a long way.

    You say youve never owned a KTM but that 570 was built by KTM,has a KTM top end and many other parts the same.
    I would think a 530 or new 500 FI would give you the same service with the same care.
    It sounds like you have had some great rides and many memories created with the 570.........nice!
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  17. kzeb

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    I'd like to Thank everybody for their interesting and informative contributions, :beer
    and the spectacular photos provided by Lost Rider and Navin, just amazing ! :thumbup

    I now know alot more about my options, not that it make my choice any easier though ...:scratch :D
    Both bikes have their pros and cons, so I guess it's very true that I cant go wrong with either one
    as stated here before.

    We'll se what I end up with eventially, but I'm pretty sure that the 690R will be swapped out pretty soon.

    Just love this place, especially off season :type you inmates ain't that bad either :freaky

    Cheers
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