Hyper-Lites, P3 or others

Discussion in 'Equipment' started by GSJon, Dec 27, 2012.

  1. GSJon

    GSJon Long timer

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    Thanks everybody for chiming in. Keep the info coming.

    I do have a silvery helmet and do wear a hi-viz yellow jacket. My panniers have red & silver SOLAS tape on them if you cannot see me you are not paying attention!

    I have not been rear-ended at at stop sign/light (yet) it has always been in rush hour traffic on the Eisenhower Expressway (I-290) at the area commonly known here as the Hillside Strangler. 2mph for about 7 miles. It is very easy to turn off your brain in this kind of traffic, I've caught myself doing that when in a car too. I guess I'm a little more cautious of having motorcycles around.

    The alternate route changes the 1 hour 15 minute drive into at least a 2 hour commute. And that contains 102 stop lights/signs from my house to work. I am only concerned with the traffic in the evening as the morning it takes 45 minutes and I don't go less than the speed limit.

    As you can see, the bike is visible from the back and sides.

    I'm thinking of going the Whelen LEN6 route as I am willing to blind the fuck out of the people behind me to keep them a few feet further back.

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  2. Bicyclist

    Bicyclist Been here awhile

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    This is important. The guy who designed these has built in a subliminal flicker that attracts the eye even when the lights aren't flashing. This effect enhances conspicuity and is what separates his stuff (including the Photon Blasters) from the other guys'. You have to see it to understand how effective it is.

    No relationship to this guy's business. Just a satisfied customer.
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  3. Lounge

    Lounge Been here awhile

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    +1 on the P3's.

    Subliminal flicker my ass - that 'flicker' will make you sick. If you ride with a group or someone constantly behind you you will want to disable this. Yes, you can disable it and the P3's give you the ability to set several different modes of flicker and flash. Great product.

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  4. GSJon

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    So I ended up with the P3s.

    They are not to bad, much brighter than the stock tail/brake lights. The constant flicker, almost flashing, is kind of annoying. I'm also wondering if it is legal.


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  5. khpossum

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    I am afraid I must retract that statement. i send them twice an email with an inquiry, never got an answer.

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  6. jskene

    jskene Been here awhile

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    P3 Lights' flicker is only visible if your not looking directly at them.

    You can try this yourself - step back 50 feet or so from your bike and you will notice that there is no flicker anymore. Now look slightly away from them and the flicker will reappear. The lights flicker at a rate that your central vision cannot detect, but your peripheral vision can.

    P3's are specifically designed to attract the attention of drivers who are not paying attention. Once they notice you and look at you, the lights appear to be solidly on, and so no longer hold their attention, but the driver now knows you're there. Mission accomplished.

    If another rider is closely following you on a long ride, you can easily turn the flicker off, as it can be a bit annoying over a long period of time at close distance. Just remember to turn it back on when riding by yourself, as it really does make you more noticeable.



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  7. BlackBeast

    BlackBeast Been here awhile

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    How does one go about turning this "flicker" on and off?
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  8. Hikertrash

    Hikertrash Wasted Rock Ranger

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    The lights are programmable using the brake levers. The instructions are on Skene's website.


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  9. BlackBeast

    BlackBeast Been here awhile

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    Great thanks, should have looked there first.:D
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  10. AlanCT

    AlanCT The Byronic Man

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    I've had mine installed for nearly ten years without any issues. Plenty of comments about their conspicuity too. Hyperlites may be a better quality product, but the Electro pods are adequate.
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  11. nameisdam

    nameisdam Ride'm while you can

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    Do a search for Whelen, Sho-Me, Nova, or a half a dozen other emergency service led's & Link them up with a Kizan or Signal Dynamics brake light flasher.

    If you want to be seen - do what the LEO's do and quit screwing around with just another tail light.

    Don't end up being a statistic at an intersection.
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  12. TipsyMcStagger

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    Any feedback from those running a Whelen LIN3 operated by a Skene IQ-160?

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  13. cruisincruzan

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    I have had both P3s and hyperlites. IMO the P3s are more noticeable in the day (pretty similar at night) so i prefer them. I have a set on my GTL and also connected the top trunk brake light to a Skene controller turning it into a giant P3 light. Much better than stock which only functioned as a brake light.

    On my 9T I made a custom tail light with 2 rows of 10 inch extra bright Z-Flex LEDs that I connected to a Skene controller making very large P3 lights. Works very well.
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  14. Hikertrash

    Hikertrash Wasted Rock Ranger

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    I had my LIN3 wired to my P3 lights and it just took on the same flicker as the P3's only brighter when stopping.

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  15. davagail

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    I've been using vizi-tech. They allow you to use stock taillight and get same results. Plug n play no hacking wires. Benard is electronic geek for sure
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  16. JR356

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    http://www.vizi-tec.com/supabrake-2bmw/

    This one ?

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  17. TrickyRic

    TrickyRic Been here awhile

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    I have a LIN3 mounted on the back of my 2015 GSA. Had the same one on the back of my ST1300abs until I sold it. The LIN3 is controlled by the Skene IQ160 module so it flashes in a Cali. Approved pattern and flickers (pulses) when in taillight mode just like the P3 lights made by Skene. The LIN3 is many times brighter than Hyperlights or the P3's and is much more noticeable in the daytime.

    I also wear a hiviz Schuberth C3 helmet, have hyperlight 16 light supplemental rear turn signals mounted to the sides of the license plate, upgraded brighter LED turn signal bulbs front and rear, the BMW oem LED headlight and auxiliary LED headlamps. And several reflective stickers and black scotch lite tape on the panniers and top box sides and back. All to make me as noticible as possible.
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  19. Grreatdog

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    I have also been rear ended on the bike and went with HyperLites after following a guy using them. I love the brightness of the turn signal and brake lights. But I went for solid, non-flashing.

    I flat out hated being behind that guy and didn't want to do the same to my friends. I found the flashing terribly distracting. My riding buddies have commented about the brightness. But nobody is annoyed.
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  20. murdock2002

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    Skene P3s…after riding with my buddy who had them, I bought them - used them on my last bike for 3 years and 12,000 miles - no issue and always received comments about how bright those things were - especially when braking.

    I've seen them on a lot of other bikes - mainly BMWs - but they do the trick.

    When I get my next bike, I plan on installing them, even if the bike has LED brake lights standard.
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