"I did Not See Him"

Discussion in 'Face Plant' started by Retired-N-Roamin, Jul 13, 2013.

  1. Warin

    Warin Retired

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    If they cannot see

    big trucks with lights, lots of bight color and hear sirens (read fire truck)

    OR

    long trains (at level crossings)

    then they cannot see .... because they are not looking ... yes there eyes may be looking in that direction .. but it anit registering on their 'brain'

    called ... around here ... 'SMIDSY' - sorry mate, I did not see you

    Solutions ?

    Before the fact ..
    ewe
    - slow down (more reaction time for you)
    .. weave around in your lane (attracts attention - though I have been pulled over as a possible drunk :D)
    [I do like the Ural side car with the missile though - missile goes forwards, rocket flames go backwards ... get both the obstruction in front and the tailgater behind]
    them
    make licenses a higher valued and skilled activity.

    after the fact
    them
    - Remove license and community service for ? 3 years ?
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  2. Retired-N-Roamin

    Retired-N-Roamin Retired and Roamin

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    We do only what we can do.

    We riders cannot force anyone to actually 'see' and react correctly.

    But by doing all that we can we do improve the odds that someone else will 'see' us before they make an illegal u-turn in front of us.

    In the back - lots of bright LEDs that flash when the brakes are applied. If there are panniers or other luggage then some bright (perhaps fluorescent?) tape (paint?) that is in some unusual pattern so it attracts attention for just being 'unusual'.

    I think that I might investigate some detachable cords that will power brake LEDs near the extreme corners of the panniers, in effect creating a sort of visual triangle in the back.

    In the front - not a bunch of lights that blaze and create some sort of massive light show, but rather the main headlight and two spots down low on the forks to form that triangle. Other driving lights are fine for specific situations when we're riding in poor visibility conditions, but these should remain off when on the highways to avoid that massive light show.

    A modulator? I would vote yes as I have had one on a previous bike and I have observed that it works to alert oncoming drivers of my presence.

    Clothing. I'm of a divided mind on this because of luggage and/or windshields and fairings obscuring the rider from being seen clearly.

    The paramedics cut off my gear (:cry) so new gear will be purchased. Right at this moment I am inclined to go with the same as before - a light colored jacket with plenty of reflective patches versus one with hi-viz yellow or orange. But that's all subject to change when push meets shove.

    All of this with the idea that we can only do what we can to make ourselves visible and then hope that is enough.

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  3. Bill Harris

    Bill Harris Confirmed Curmudgeon

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    Be warned that bright running lights, headlight modulators, extra brake/tail lights, Hi-Viz gear, etc, may be counterproductive for safety because the may lull the rider into a false sense of security by thinking that they are invincibly visible. All it does is better you odds with those who are likely to see you. The blind will still be blind and need to be dealt with via an ingrained Spidey Sense.

    My bike has had auxillary brake lights in one form or another (evolving to a pair 4" LED lamps) since 1976. I have always run with the headlight on in daytime, and since 2000 I've had Amber LED forward-aimed daytime marker lights (evolving to a pair of bright 60-series LED turn signal modules 4 years ago). And I still ride as though I'm invisible.

    FWIW.

    --Bill
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  4. Retired-N-Roamin

    Retired-N-Roamin Retired and Roamin

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    I could not agree more Bill.

    I'm sure that from time to time many of us get a sardonic chuckle from hearing about the Darwin Awards - you know about the hapless folks that weld on gas tanks that explode...

    I would suggest that anyone that spends the money, time and effort to get their bike and themselves set up to have a better chance to be seen and then believes that they are invincible because of this may be a candidate for the aforementioned award.

    I tell my son to ride like everyone is out to get you - because they are!

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  5. russbryant

    russbryant Long timer

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    Well Bill, since your post seemed to be aimed squarely at the OP. I can assure you that he (and I) will never have a sense of security, false or otherwise, while riding our bike's on the street. No matter how much light we add.

    As for your Spidy Sense, there comes a point when you are too close relative to your speed to the cage to miss it when it comes into your lane.

    Russ
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  6. Johnny Locks

    Johnny Locks Adventurer

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    First, really feel for you man. I'm glad you made it out alive and will heal. I'm recovering from a broken leg and ankle, got T-boned by a car June 22. My injuries are nothing compared to what you ended up with, but I know how plugged up the narcotics make you so +1 on the Intestinal Formula #1. You can take it indefinitely with no dependance developing. Like Loki said, gotta take it with dinner, not empty stomach.
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  7. Retired-N-Roamin

    Retired-N-Roamin Retired and Roamin

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    My attorney has some ducks to herd into a row yet, but it appears the illegal u-turn perpetrator is going to get off (nearly) scot-free.

    They were cited but (appear) to be poor enough to not have any assets worth pursuing.

    They had the California minimum for liability insurance.

    Essentially there is zero $$ available for the pain and suffering I am experiencing.

    The only "bright" spot is that under California law the hospital and associated services will have to be satisfied with the small insurance payment from the illegal u-turn perpetrator's insurance company and cannot put me under a crushing mountain of medical debt.

    So... I'm recuperating at my son's - slowly but surely.

    Now the immediate task is to let go of the anger that having six months or a year of my life stolen has inflicted. And I have to say that this a monumental task in itself. [​IMG]

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  8. Bill Harris

    Bill Harris Confirmed Curmudgeon

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    Then good luck, and you have a properly positive attitude. Stuff happens in life and you just need to make the best of the hand you're dealt.

    --Bill
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  9. russbryant

    russbryant Long timer

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    Good luck with the legal stuff. Do not discuss it on here or anywhere on the web.

    I used my medical coverage from work to cover all my hospital bills which were well over $100k.

    My lawyer ended up collecting from the guys insurance and had to go after my insurance for under insured motorist coverage. Then you learn about subrogation :huh :deal But I also found out about stacking :clap

    Good luck and go to as much PT as you can.

    Russ
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  10. middleview

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    RNR, thanks for posting your experience. Left turners are my greatest fear on the bike. Sorry to hear whenever a brother or sister is taken down, but can all learn from your tale. i agree that riding like all the cars are out to get you is the best way! Wish you a strong recovery. Agree with the other commenters about the PT - really makes a difference.
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  11. brenter

    brenter Brenter

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    This is why we as motorcyclists should carry a high amount of uninsured and underinsured motorists. I carry the maximum they will let me buy. I read that in an ama mag years ago.
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  12. t6pilot

    t6pilot Been here awhile

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    Anytime I ride my radar is on high alert
    Especially if any other vehicles are in my field of view. Hi viz jacket, photon blasters, P3 lights, hi beams etc. I trust no one who has the possibility of hurting me
    Get well soon
    PS sue the bastard
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  13. bASEL

    bASEL n00b

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    I Hope you are healing well! And sorry about the bad news on the legal stuff, but doesn't the insurance company of the perpetrator supposed to handle the legal stuff instead of the perpetrator them self?

    Also wanted to mention, that while modifying the bike for better visiblity is great, you will also need to take the rules and regulations into account. Here in The Netherlands, for example, you are not allowed to have blue-ish lights. Officially we are not even allowed to have auxillary lights unless the situation asks for it, such as visibility less then 50meters (in fog). Also auxillary lights tend to blind oncoming traffic, especially during rain. The excuse then will be "I was blinded".
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  14. HellSickle

    HellSickle Scone Rider

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    I am constantly moving around my lane. Toward the left for general visibility. Moving to the right when I see a potential threat from something coming the other way (pretty much any vehicle approaching, esp in turn lanes). It's a constant trade off between maximum visibility and maximum space to react.

    Get some nice LED lights for visibility. www.ddmtuning.com Not as good as the big $$ lights for night, but excellent for visibility.
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  15. fast neutron

    fast neutron Lost soul

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    reading about this took me back to 2004 when the roughly the same thing happened to me. In my case it was not U-turn but a distracted soccer mom trying to get her kids to a game. The van turned left in front of me and I woke up a week later in the ICU. In y case I had an APC2 pelvic fracture (broken in front and in back) and a comminuted right femur fracture (section of right femur disintegrated when it hit my clip-on) and a right pneumothorax (air on the wrong side of the lung). I wanted to pass on soem of the things that worked for me.

    First, the poop thing. I found a product called Senocot (sp?) that really worked while I was still on the pain-killers. Follow the directions. I thought I would double up the first dose to "get things going". Don't do that unless you have a good book to read while on the throne.

    Next, find the best physiotherapist in your area and work your ass off. Everytime I was in there learning how to walk again I thought about the careless driver who put me in that position and used the anger to push myself. This may not be for everyone but it helped me work through a lot of pain YMMV of course.

    Lastly, keep moving. You may find that arthritis will set in where your breaks are. Keep active, at first that may be just a walk around the house, then around the block. Keeping active makes a world of difference in the long term.

    I hope that you heal fast and can get back to your life soon.

    All the best,
    Matt
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  16. Mr_Snips

    Mr_Snips Husky BRAAAAAAAAP!

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    Just keep working at it. They tell me my stuff will get better :rofl as they are sticking 4 inch needles in my back connected to a welder.

    But it does get better with time. Hopefully you get back on the bike again and i bet there will be plenty of guys that will buy you a beer. Put me on that list if we ever meet.
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  17. Dolly Sod

    Dolly Sod Red Clay Halo

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    Man o man heal up quick.

    Left turners are one of the things that scare me the most. You can cover your brakes, be alert and vigilant, change lanes etc, but there's always a point of no return when you're passing them. That point where you have to hope they've seen you or decide not to pull out at that moment because there's nothing you can do to swerve, stop etc that would avoid them if they decide at that moment to punch it.
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  18. Retired-N-Roamin

    Retired-N-Roamin Retired and Roamin

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    Thanks for the good wishes from all! :clap :clap :clap

    Was at doctors 10 days ago and all the pelvis is 'healing normally'.

    It's just 10 days and a wake-up until the open wounds in my abdomen are closed with the removal of the external fixation device.

    Somehow the night that's finally off I'm going to luxuriate with a long hot shower! Something I have not had since June 25th! Wash-rag 'baths' surely suck!

    I'm already good getting in and out of bed and even though I'm 99% following the doctors orders by not walking (with the aid of a walker) I have made the 25' trip to the toilet and back to bed a few times. I do not expect walking to be an issue once the fixation is removed. It'll take time to build strength and endurance, but hey...[​IMG]

    Left shoulder that had the fractured scapula is 'OK' - not great but not bad.

    The road rash on the shins is 90% gone - most of the scabs are off.

    The current major problem is my right hand/wrist. The wrist had a fracture - I would have termed it a cracked bone but hey, the medicos called it a fracture. It's maybe 10-15% in pre-crash strength and ~30% pain free movement. I cannot turn the wrist/arm but about 70º – the left will turn 180º. Wrist up/down is limited – the left will do near 90º forward and back – the right less than 30º in either direction. Any bending movement beyond 10-15º just flat hurts.

    Obviously this is a major issue and one that will be the most painful to straighten out with the physical therapist. The other stuff... ASAP, but the wrist I expect to linger as it really freakin' hurts!

    I'm 95% off of pain meds - just an occasional one at bedtime.

    Two products that really helped are:
    Absorbine Jr.
    Dr. Schulze's Intestinal Formula #1

    The Absorbine takes the sharp edges off the pain in the wrist/hand and seems to promote some additional flexibility immediately after application.

    Since the narcotic pain pills suppress the normal intestinal workings - constipation is the result - the Formula #1 has made sure that this has not been an on-going issue.

    Highly recommend both products!

    I'll not comment on the legal and insurance aspect as that's SNAFU with the various bureaucracies.

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  19. YOUNZ

    YOUNZ Been here awhile

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    When you present yourself in a manner, not to be seen, guess what? They don't see you, as planned.
    I'm speaking to the average rider that rides a black bike, wares black clothing, and most of all "a black helmet"! Some flat black.
    Just a white helmet alone could prevent a crash. That's why the Motor Cops ware white helmets.
    Of course it isn't 100% guaranteed but a even a 50% advantage is worth not being as cool as you would like to present.
    Being seen at all times is much, much more important than any armored clothing! Cabish? :wink:
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  20. CallMeBoog

    CallMeBoog hi functioning idiom

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    Dick
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