I had to lay 'er down

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by slide, Apr 2, 2013.

  1. slartidbartfast

    slartidbartfast Love those blue pipes

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    So are these two views somehow consistent or are you just oppositional for your own amusement - you recalcitrant troll! :lol3
  2. Mountain Cruiser

    Mountain Cruiser Banned

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    Do you think this jacket

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  3. Bar None

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    I though this thread was about "I had to lay 'er down".
    Silly me.:rofl
  4. Disco Stu

    Disco Stu I'm Barry F'n Gibb!!

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    I've only ever seen rear window decals for two motorcycle brands: H-D and KTM. If you're so damn proud of your motorcycle, why aren't you riding it instead of tooling around in the truck every day?
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    Disco Stu I'm Barry F'n Gibb!!

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    I've got a couple of bikes that only get that much mileage/year. But then, I have five motorcycles. :D
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    1911fan Master of the Obvious

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    lol.... memory whiplash!

    Years ago I worked for a Harley dealer. It was near a few military bases (Schofield, Hickam, Pearl) and so we had a large .mil customer base, many of whom could not afford the Harley but spent lots on 'kit'. There was a decent bar a couple blocks away (saw Talking Heads there, one of their early tours before they were famous) where we'd go after work.
    Not unusual to see half a dozen bikes outside, a coupe might be Harleys, and the bar would be packed with 'bikers', all kitted out. Doo-rags and dark glasses (inside, at night), fingerless gloves, boots, all that.... they carpooled there.


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    davidbeinct Been here awhile

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    If it were orange (or the bike was red), sure.

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    Yeah, unfortunately they don't make an orange Aerostich Darien. Red is as close as it gets, but I think the red will be okay with the candy orange road king. I will likely get the black Aerostich Darien pants as well.

    Thanks.



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    Disco Stu I'm Barry F'n Gibb!!

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    sounds like they were expecting the Village People
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    Darien? No. I have a friend with a black RoadCrafter and orange ballistics, though. Still won't match that bike, but it's HD colors.
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    What about if you arrive by horse?
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  15. Andyvh1959

    Andyvh1959 Cheesehead Klompen

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    WOW! 18 pages and I haven't joined in yet! How could I miss it!!??

    Anyhow, the biggest BS lie/myth/crap persists, "hadda lay er down" I feel mostly because of inexperience, inability, lack of self evaluation, and poor traffic skills more than any other factor. In my MSF class, during braking skills discussion, I had a female student claim her friend's hubby had to "lay down his Wing" when a truck turned in front of him and his wife on the bike. She seemed to know a lot about the crash, so I asked, "did the bike sliding on it's side ever get to the truck?"

    "No" she replied. So I countered with, "so if the bike sliding on its side didn't get to the truck, then the bike upright, hard on the brakes never would have got to the truck, right?" She thought and nodded in agreement. To which I said, "he lied to himself and his wife claiming he hadda lay er down."

    However, I DO feel the big cruiser style bikes (be they from HD, Victory, Honda, whoever) that have a big ol' car like brake pedal and floorboards are a big factor. I had a 30 yr HD rider in my MSF-ERC and in the quick stop exercise he slid the back end all OVER the place coming to a stop. Thought he did good to control the bike. I noticed he had his boot firmly on the brake pedal, fully off the floorboard. So those big leg muscles, all that leg weight, combined to simply tromp on/over power the rear brake. He made him keep his heel on the floorboard and apply/modulate the rear brake with just the ball/toe of his boot. Then with more front brake he was really hauling it down in complete control.

    I coach all my MSF students, both BRC and ERC, that on bikes with floorboards it is essential to keep your heel on the floorboard and modulate the brake with the ball/toe of your boot. If you can't, then adjust the floorboard/brake until you can.
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  17. slartidbartfast

    slartidbartfast Love those blue pipes

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    Did you check in the bed? They were probably tied there.
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    1911fan Master of the Obvious

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    Maybe not. Ford's Harley Davidson Special Edition F150 has too short a bed to carry a full-size Harley.



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  19. Andyvh1959

    Andyvh1959 Cheesehead Klompen

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    For as many riders as have lousy braking skills, its no wonder so many claim "I hadda lay er down". Simple physics explain why the BIKE had to lay down, after the rider screwed up!

    When the rear tire looses traction and stability, the back of the bike will slide to whichever side is "lowest" depending on surface traction, lean angle and road slope. Then if the slide continues, with no spinning tire stability to upright itself all the bike CAN do is lay down. The bike just does what physics cause it to do, based on the rider input.

    Motorcycles don't crash on their own, they need a rider to help them do it. Anyone claiming "I hadda lay er down" is spouting the biggest BS lie in motorcycling. Yet, few admit they really don't have good riding skills and will likely do it again.
  20. AzItLies

    AzItLies Been here awhile

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    I agree. From my experience teaching the BRC and ERC (especially), these riders don't know they have such bad riding skills.

    Many (most) after the ERC classes admit there was a lot they learned. A fellow rider coach admitted to a class the other day he had to 'lay down' his cruiser a couple of times before becoming an RC... now he knows better, and it didn't have to happen.

    I really wish they could make the BRC and ERC free. We'd have a lot better riders out there.

    Cheers