I had to lay 'er down

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by slide, Apr 2, 2013.

  1. slide

    slide A nation in despair

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    Bike high sided hit on left, rotated and flipped to land on the right side. Badly damaged on BOTH sides. Beats me how he remained on it, but he said he did. He may be wrong. He was vague on just how he ended up, but the damage is major on BOTH sides.
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  2. slide

    slide A nation in despair

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    Yeah, it's really a saying you see many times on tee shirts, etc. worn at H-D rallies.

    I guess if you are riding Harley, you are riding shit.

    I do like Harleys in general, but think some of the, ahem, culture is utterly bogus. Too bad the culture is so mixed up with the bikes themselves because the bikes are neat, IMO.
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  3. rbrsddn

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    Hells yeah, don't bail until every option is exhausted!!! :deal:freaky
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  4. Mountain Cruiser

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    Plenty of HD riders are not into the "outlaw biker" culture. I seen some cops on HDs that could really ride. I've also seen some ATGATT types take big GS's offroad thinking they could ride them like an XT 250 and hurt themselves.


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  5. Tom48

    Tom48 Been here awhile

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    I had a 67 Montesa that was used for dirt riding and a occasional race The track was muddy with standing water and I failed to choose the right line, I layed her down in a large mud puddle pulled in the compression release keep it running, got up with it found 1st gear and took off throwing mud on the people who threw beer bottles:1drink and laughed as the fall happened.
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  6. JimVonBaden

    JimVonBaden "Cool" Aid!

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    Very true. Unfortunatly, due to the shear number of them, some of the worst are too!:deal

    Jim :brow
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  7. ROAD DAMAGE

    ROAD DAMAGE Long timer

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    The next time you see a big bunch of HDs parked in a row ................. take a little stroll behind them and look at their tires. That tells the story right there.

    I've only seen a scant few that ever used the sides of the tires, much less wore the chicken strips. Seriously.

    I find it ironic that a rider that is afraid of leaning a bike over a little, is the same guy that's so quick to "lay'er down". :lol3

    Makes no sense now does it? :huh

    The tires tell the truth. :deal :wink:
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  8. Mountain Cruiser

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    I think the OP's point has more to do with the rider than what bike he is riding....

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  9. jsalman93

    jsalman93 Been here awhile

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    I always thought the idea of laying 'er down came from the days when bikes had drum brakes front and back and were not able to stop in as short of a distance as they do now. Now the idea of laying it down just seems to be an excuse in not knowing how to properly execute an emergency brake

    Isn't that what killed Lawrence of Arabia :deal? I thought he laid his triumph down to avoid hitting a small child who ran into the street.
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  10. Tripl Nikl

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    Can't you switch it off or pull the fuse?


    My early Bronco has gotten me two girls that admitted the truck was the hook. Fine by me. So... No BS... Does a H-D bring all the girls around? Because, honestly, that's a value adder and makes all the downsides seem more reasonable.


    I once saw a truck running a foot of lift and 44" tires with "If it Ain't Tall, it Ain't Shit!" on a sticker across the whole back window. I thought about asking the driver if he understood what he was saying with the use of double negatives. Decided against it. Besides, I like lifted redneck trucks! :lol3

    http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news...Day--Lawrence-of-Arabia-Dies-After-Crash.html

    Hmmm, learn something new everyday. I don't think I'll be telling the MRS about this bit of trivia, however.
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  11. Montague

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    "I once saw a truck running a foot of lift and 44" tires with "If it Ain't Tall, it Ain't Shit!" on a sticker across the whole back window. I thought about asking the driver if he understood what he was saying with the use of double negatives. Decided against it. Besides, I like lifted redneck trucks! "

    Hmmm, I was once in a coffee shop drive thru line behind a honking big F-150 that had massive tires and a lift kit, all I could see was his bumper which had a sticker on it that said "Because fat chicks can't jump".:clap
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  12. slide

    slide A nation in despair

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    I'm ok with the outlaw culture. I'm NOT ok with bond salesmen and dentists pretending to be outlaws. That's the new HD culture and one I detest.
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  13. slide

    slide A nation in despair

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    I'd say you are in an area with very eclectic chicks if they are attracted to an early Bronco (70's era first gen?).

    There are two chick magnets I've seen in op and they work EVERY time: 'Vettes and Harleys.

    I knew a long term single guy who got tired of it and said he was going to get a wife by first getting a 'Vette. It worked perfectly for him as it has others. IMO, the HD is even a surer bet.
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    slide A nation in despair

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    Yeah, I think had he been on a lighter bike, he may have had a chance to save it. Lighter and a shorter wheelbase too.

    Some of those polices are scary good riders. The local ones here sure are.
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    Yup, started out as a '68. Now it's a '71 due to a frame swap, but it's pretty much a Johnny Cash Caddy--'71 frame, '73 block, 60-something t-case, etc., etc.. And chicks dig it! When I get it back together I think I'm going to need to sell it to a LA lawyer as a high class "beach bum" surf rig.

    And then buy a Corvette or H-D! :lol3

    I've learned 3 good things in this thread (so far!). :freaky
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  16. FlySniper

    FlySniper Bleh...

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    Hmmmph. That's called a "jump". It's sorta' like a wheelie, except both wheels leave the ground.:rofl
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  17. Mr_Gone

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    I believe you are also allowed to "lay 'er down" if you are about to be ride straight into the side of a tractor trailer and be decapitated. :D
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  18. dirty_t

    dirty_t Been here awhile

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    Well I'm a Harley rider - have been for a fair many years. And I've owned a few other brands, too. And I used to race, which is where I learned that the front brakes actually do work better than the rear in many situations. And I have ridden with a lot of HD riders over the years who still like to use the 'layer down' phrase, which I quickly correct them on. BUT - I have also read posts from the calimari set who talk about the 'accident' they got in when they ran wide up on Skyline and ended up in the armco or eating pavement.

    To me that's almost as lame, and in some ways worse - because a lot of people think in terms of crashing as an accident, when in fact, mostly crashes are not 'accidents' - they are a result of poor choices, poor skills, and bad luck all coming together (as others have already said).

    So I've been reflecting on this as I get ready to pick up my first R12GS and get back into adventure riding. A good buddy who I ride with was giving me crap about getting a beemer, and I texted him the following, which I considered using in my sig file on this board, but thought better of:

    When you're done running around looking like a rodeo clown wearing assless chaps and fringe, and a pudding bowl on your head, and riding an 800 pound brick that corners like a Calistoga wagon...you might be ready for a BMW."
    - To all my HD bros and sisters

    Dunno. What do you think?

    Anyway, 'layer down', 'accident', whatever - I agree with most of what's already been said. OP - do your buddy a favor and remind him crashing is crashing, and not acceptable on a bike.
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  19. NJ-Brett

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    I never had to 'lay a bike down' so I cant say anything about that.
    But after having a few, I know that most bikes from the motor company can not lean much before dragging hard parts, so looking at the tires will not tell you much about rider skill.
    Hanging off is not very popular on Harley's for some reason, maybe the forward controls, or is it the ape hangers?
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  20. slide

    slide A nation in despair

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    I didn't say nor do I think that HD riders are worse riders than on other marques. It's just that that layer down phrase is not only exclusive to HD, but seems to be, to many of them, an expression of heroism as if they let out a sigh and with regret, laid their bike over on its side as a last resort for a short stop.

    I never heard ANY other marque rider say similar.
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