I installed the 1190/1290 OEM Pannier carrier (stabilizer) kit

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  1. klinquist

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    As many of you know, KTM recently released a carrier kit which is meant to better stabilize the OEM panniers. Supposedly the OEM panniers can produce entire bike oscillations when heavily loaded on bad roads causing unsafe handling.

    I only use my side cases a few times a year, but when I do, they are often loaded down.... and I am riding on crappy roads... with my speedometer a few clicks over what I should be riding.

    I do everything possible to minimize my risk given my riding style. The Hyperpro steering damper also fell into this category.

    "OMG KTM should be providing this for free!! Didn't you see buffhunter's crash?!?!"


    Yes, they probably should, but they're not. That's the reality.

    All the details: KTM p/n 60712912044. Not yet available from US suppliers, so I ordered it from KTM_RAU (link). It was backordered a week and they did a good job communicating that (both on the ordering website and via a personal email after I placed the order). It shipped out earlier than expected via DHL and it took a 7 days to get to me in California. Total cost was 211 Euro including post. $234 USD at today's exchange rate.

    The basic operation is simple - the cases now ride on hinged rear brackets that are connected together by a stabilizing bar which runs under the seat. Press one case to the left, the other case moves to the left. This allows the cases to remain "stationary" while the bike moves left and right inside of them.

    The box is quite big. The kit includes new black rear side fairing plastics which have an appropriate hole for the connecting bar.

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    The first step is removing the existing case brackets and rear side fairing. 3xT40, 2xT30 on each side. Then, separate and replace the "black half" of the rear side fairing with the new pieces. 4xT25 each side I believe.

    The directions ask you to remove the top rack in order to trim down plastic under the seat with an "appropriate tool" to make room for the stabilizer bar. I was able to pull out my Dremel(tm) multitool and "hog out" the plastic from the sides without removing the top case or top rack at all. Be careful to clear out any wires behind what you are cutting out.

    The kit comes with a new bracket to relocate the alarm system if you've got that installed. I don't, so I tossed it.

    This didn't used to be see-through:

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    After that's done, you slide the stabilizer bar through the hole and screw it into the rear mounting brackets with a pair of T25 screws. Here is where you have to get creative if you didn't remove the top case/grab handles because they block access to the screws. A T25 bit and a wrench to turn it from the side worked out just fine.

    The kit requires the cases to be a few mm further out, so they provide small spacers you place in between the bike and the front pannier mounts. Probably only about 5mm wide(r).

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    The good news is that the stabilizer bar fits far enough back that my OEM tool kit + tire repair kit still doesn't interfere with its operation:

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    As usual on any bike that sees off-pavement, a small dab of blue loctite on all bolts will keep everything snug.



    8 second video showing the basic operation:

    http://photos.linquist.net/Vehicles/KTM1290/i-FPd2gct/640


    Total install time: 1 hour including tool clean-up.
    Total beers: 2.
    Total swearing: 0. Instructions made sense, easy to visualize how it all went together.



    I haven't even mounted the side cases on the bike since the install. I probably won't until next time I need 'em. :).
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  2. SURFINASPHALT

    SURFINASPHALT "Zen Rider"

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    Kris, Beautiful Writeup Mio Amico!:clap
    Nicely Done!:thumb

    Still waiting on my kit to emerge from US Customs evidently. (*Still can't figure out why only parcels from Germany seem to get hung up there for me when any thing else from seemingly anywhere else in the world is usually here within a week. ???:loco)

    Looking Forward to hearing your Riding impressions under load.:lurk
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  3. Barekat

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    Ya Kris, great pioneering work! Thanks for putting this together. I haven't decided if I'll upgrade the brackets on my bike as if only had a few wobbles when I was being really stupid.

    The kit looks very comprehensive for $200. :thumbup
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  4. Trajiks9

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    I'm interested to see if this parts kit will eventually be offered at a discounted rate to current owners. Especially if KTM is now openly admitting that there is a design flaw with the original pannier mounting system. I've only loaded my cases once thus far, and while riding 2+ on the freeway at speeds of up to 75 mph bike was stable. I cannot justify spending that much coin.
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    SURFINASPHALT "Zen Rider"

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    Low & Behold 10 days after it shipped, USPS delivered a rather Heavily Battered parcel from "Das Vaterland" bearing DHL packing slips, & covered in KTM POWER PARTS Packing Tape to my doorstep a little before Noon today. Apparently, once clear of Customs in Chicago the parcel transfers to the USPS for local delivery.:eek7

    As Near as I can tell the original box started out in the dimensional neighborhood of around 3'x6"x6".
    Although what arrived, was only roughly 3'x4"x3", was covered in USPS stamp marks stating "Recieved in Damaged Condition" in bright Red Ink, & appeared to have been sat upon by every pachyderm currently residing in our local Zoo.:patch

    Upon actual physical inspection of the contents, I found that all the parts of the kit had Luckily Arrived totally unscathed, and all pieces were accounted for, despite the apparent rough handling the parcel endured while still in the hands of "DHL".:thumb

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    Subscribed to see if any warranty claims cover this...


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  10. SURFINASPHALT

    SURFINASPHALT "Zen Rider"

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    We were actually discussing this in the 1290 owners thread too, & without meaning to be a Wet Blanket on the whole idea of the "Floating Carrier Kit" becoming a Warrantied Revision, here are my thoughts on the matter.:

    http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/1290-sa-owners-thread.1042722/page-383#post-29675303

    Stranger things have happened, & while it would be an amazing bit of goodwill on KTM's part, my money is bet that we'll never see that perspective given any merit.

    *Based on the fact that ultimately this kit has been developed & was marketed as a Performance Threshold Enhancement.

    (*Just my Two Bits.)
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  11. JC100

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    If it's a performance enhancement then the 1290 should be sold with a warning to only use the bike OEM side cases at lower speeds. That's a total cop out from KTM and I'm not very impressed. I really like my bike but I trusted that being an early adopter meant that if problems occurred the manufacturer would act on issues to rectify them at their cost not ours.
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  13. JC100

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    Fair enough...but can we see the KTM directive that says that higher speed riding with bags is now fine with the powerparts kit? I'll make you a little bet that you'll never see that, hence this isn't a "performance upgrade" its what should have been there in the first place to take care of a potential safety issue that affected more than a few riders.
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  14. SURFINASPHALT

    SURFINASPHALT "Zen Rider"

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    I can only refer you to KTM's recent Press Release on the product here,:

    https://press.ktm.com/News_Detail.aspx?id=37788&menueid=3050

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    (*link originally provided courtesy of inmate GeorgeD)

    And also back to the original "MOTORRAD" article that covered the extensive "Data Acquisition" Verified High Speed Stability Testing that KTM Recently did in Spain. Where they tested their New "Floating Carrier Kit" vs Stock.:

    http://m.motorradonline.de/motorraeder/pendeltest-ktm-adventure-modelle/712536
    (*Link originally Posted courtesy of inmate Marki_GSA **Note: You will have to translate it from German with your translator of Choice.)

    *Here is a portion of the Article explaining their "Data Acquisition Graphs" recorded Durring Testing that I used "Google Translate" to convert into English:

    "All test machines were equipped with data loggers, which used the standard Bosch Gyrosensorik and yaw oscillations chronicled around the vertical axis.

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    A KTM 1190 Adventure without luggage shows at top speed (250 km / h) slight vibrations in the range of three Hertz (red line), but at most minimally felt by the driver. This is the natural frequency, the principle has any bike, often but not is noticeable. With rigid panniers and ten kilograms is the vibrations of 1190 Adventure from about 200 km / h increase greatly. The driver therefore rotates the throttle back (green line), the speed (blue line) no longer increases. The vibrations remain however further in the critical region, without damping it does not subside by itself. With flexible suspended cases, the situation is significantly better. the KTM 1190 Adventure Even at top speed runs straight fairly stable."

    (*This Google Translated portion was taken directly from the original "MOTORRAD" article's Second Page which can be seen in it's Original German Format Here):
    http://www.motorradonline.de/motorr...venture-modelle-data-recording/712536?seite=2

    *The "MOTORRAD" article's information, in & of itself, was enough to Pique my Interest, & prompt me to track down and purchase the kit to test.

    I myself, like AJ, Klinquist, & a growing number of other riders, know how we Like to Ride, & Welcome the Upgraded Performance Benefits provided by the "Floating Carrier Kit".

    As a whole I think it would be Safe to Say that We Are Also Very Interested in Reducing the Magnitude of, & Whenever Possible even Eliminating, as many of the Negative Variables as Possible which can contribute to the Inherent Dangers that can Naturally Occur when Riding Above the Manufacturers Stock Disclamer Limitations.

    *Personally I have no problem "Paying to Play" with a "Data Acquisition" Proven Enhancement over the current "Speed Limited" Stability Performance of the OEM Carrier Design. YMMV.

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  15. GeorgeD

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  16. denty_uk

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    Mine does the exact same thing but without panniers - can't see that this would help me!

    It will be interesting to see if anyone that has the weave with (or without) panniers fits these and solves the problem.

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    Ordered a set from KTM_RAU today. They show that they are in stock so we'll see how fast it gets to me in Texas.

    I don't see KTM offering these up as free of charge to fix a stability issues anytime soon.
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    SRTie4k Newly-Clothed Explorer

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    I had the high speed wobble with luggage on this weekend. Was chasing a guy on a sport bike through the corners (I thought about overtaking him on the outside just to see his reaction), once we hit a big straight, we both gunned it. He was holding me up until around 100mph when the 1290SA started weaving. Decided this is not worth it so I backed off.

    I'll be looking into these soon.
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  19. Euro1290

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    The owner's manual states that the maximum speed with the panniers shouldn't exceed 150kmh, just over 90mph.
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    Sounds like the last 3 years of 'airbox fixes'....:rofl
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