I joined the agility club yesterday

Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by jaredfedex, Aug 9, 2013.

  1. jaredfedex

    jaredfedex Adventurer

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    brand new! kind of got ripped off on the price 2500, but oh well that's my fault for not researching "assembly" and "freight" fees
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  2. JerryH

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    Welcome. You actually didn't do to bad depending on what the sales tax and title and registration are in your state. A new Agility 125 is $1900 MSRP, and it would have cost me around $2250 OTD without the fees. I've noticed that dealers who only sell Taiwan and Chinese scooters don't charge those fees, while major brand dealers (Japanese, Piaggio, Vespa, BMW, etc.) who basically carry Kymco as a "sideline" do tend to add on fees.

    As far as the scooter itself, I think you will love it. It's as fast or faster than a Zuma 125, and pretty much the same quality. Kymcos rarely break down as long as you do the maintenance. Should be a ton of fun, and very inexpensive transportation if that's what you are going to use it for.
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  3. jaredfedex

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    also had a question about servicing/ servicing charges. The manual says to bring it in for a full service at 200 miles but the dealership told me to do it at 600. does anyone have any experience with the first full service and how much it costs?

    GOOD TO HEAR yeah that makes me feel better about the purchase. and yes i'm using it to commute to and from work. oh and i've already driven it around alot! it is alot of fun to ride it and i'm happy I bought it!
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  4. JerryH

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    600 is about right, but if you are mechanically inclined, there is nothing on it you can't do yourself, and save a fortune. Hardest thing to begin with are the valves, if you can do that you can do anything else. At around 12,000 miles it will need a new drive belt and rollers, that is also easy. Most everybody disagrees, but I recommend changing the oil every 1000 miles or so on a 125. They only hold about a qt. and those small engines are really hard on oil. I have 24,000 miles on a Japanese 125, and it still runs like new. I have always changed the oil in it at around 1000 miles. It's cheap and easy. One qt. of oil, and no filter. My Japanese 125 was made in Taiwan. It's a Vino 125, and I paid $3000 OTD for it back in 2008. An Agility 125 should be the same quality.
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  5. jaredfedex

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    i've changed a spare tire once! haha but yeah i think i can do a lot of it myself as well. without a doubt i will be doing the oil changes because it is so easy on a scooter. I agree with the every 1000 miles too oil is not that expensive and doing it over the weekend is something i can easily make time for. i'll have to look up info on how to do the more technical stuff and see if i'm ready to dive right into the harder aspects you mentioned like valves.
    hopefully mine lasts that long as well!
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  6. luckychucky

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    I think most people get screwed by dealers.
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  7. JerryH

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    So do I, but you had better be careful about saying stuff like that on here. Seems like almost everyone here is more than willing to fork over their hard earned money to crooked dishonest dealers. Many even seem to take pride in it. Even most wealthy people didn't get that way by throwing their money away.
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  8. gogogordy

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    Same can be said for auto mechanics jerry, if you want to generalize.

    Fact is every occupation is in it to make a profit....
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  9. JerseyBiker

    JerseyBiker Living the life!

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    Sweet looking scoot! Happy riding!

    I hate paying excessive fees but normal profit is no problem. We want the dealers around when we need them so, support them when you can.
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  10. Dranrab Luap

    Dranrab Luap E-Tarded Super Moderator

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    That's one of the best values in all of motorized two wheeling. Good choice!
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  11. gogogordy

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    Agree.

    Some posters (who shall remain nameless) grouse and call dealers uncomplimentary names at every opportunity when all those dealers are doing is being a part of the distribution model in our capitalistic economy.
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  12. tortoise2

    tortoise2 Been here awhile

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    Since most GY6 type scooter engines only have an oil strainer screen, consider initially changing oil frequently to flush out the suspended metallic micro-particles. Walmart SuperTech 15W40 works fine for break-in oil. When the glitter in the drain pan subsides, consider a more slippery oil such as Delo 400 LE. Everyone has to make their own determination if the synthetics are worth the money.
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  13. CaptnJim

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    I'm retired... of course, I'm in it for the love of it, not the profit. :evil These "fun summer jobs"?? Wife's idea... and then, I'm in it for survival (the couch is a cold, lonely place), while she likes being productive. Fortunately, she gets over that after a few months.

    23 days, but who's counting? :rofl Then, a few playing days, and we'll be heading south. Back to the scooters and the hot tub (the two things I miss the most when we're living on the boat).

    Best wishes,
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    If someone grouses about the dealer added mark-ups, don't take offense... if you like 'em, pay 'em. As a former business owner, I can't get into paying MORE than retail for a product. Consumer protection forced the issue of a sticker price on cars years ago. Not just cars, many products list a Manufacturers Suggest RETAIL Price... not too many savvy consumers are willing to pay more than that price. If you want to support a dealer, buy more stuff from them: helmets, jacket, bike accessories... how many people shop online for that stuff to find the best price?
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  14. klaviator

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    I have a Super 8 which has nearly the same engine. I changed the oil at around 180 miles, then 600, then every 1200 after that. I use Rotella T6 full synthetic. My manual did not call for a valve check until 2500 mi. The newer ones call for the first one much earlier. I didn't check mine until 2500. Out of the four times I checked the valves, they needed adjustment twice. Oil changes are easy, no need to have the dealer do that. I also changed the belt, rollers and sliding blocks around 7,000. It wasn't to difficult. Since these scooters use a very common GY6 engine, it's easy to find information on how to do this maintenance. I found a U tube video showing the valve adjustment in an easy step by step way.

    Since there is no oil filter I installed magnetic drain plugs in the engine and final drive. It's cheap insurance, I think a paid 9.99 for a mag plug kit.

    After 12,300 miles my scooter is still running great and I certainly haven't taken it easy while riding it.

    Enjoy your Agility. Kymco makes some good scooters and I'm sure yours will serve you well.
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  15. longhaul747

    longhaul747 Been here awhile

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    Enjoy the Agility 125!

    I just took delivery of an Agility 125 myself. So far for what I can tell its an impressive scooter. A really strong and smooth runner. Even better its a tremendous bargain.

    Don't worry about the price. If you look at what other comparable scooters go for its still a great deal. Plus they are so economical they pay for themselves in short order anyway.
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  16. JerryH

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    I work for the fleet services department of a medium sized city, so my salary and benefits are paid for by the taxpayers. But I am certainly not overpaid. In fact, NO mechanic is over paid, unless they are in business for themselves. Dealer mechanics (car/truck/motorcycle/scooter/whatever) work for peanuts. It's the dealership OWNER who is raking in all the money. The local "powersports" dealership charges $100 per hour for labor. I can guarantee that the head mechanic makes under $20 an hour.

    As for dealers, being my own mechanic I don't need them for service/repairs, and wouldn't trust their underpaid and usually incompetent mechanics anyway.

    I would get parts and accessories from them, if they were competitive with other local "brick and mortar" places. But here is an example of what you run into. Yesterday, I went to buy a set of front brake pads for my Vulcan 750. I called the dealer to see if they had them in stock. They did. EBC part #FA85. Price $44.99. I then called the local Cycle Gear store, less than 2 miles from that dealer. They also had them. EXACTLY the same part. Price $33.99. $10 less for exactly the same thing. Why? I don't know, but obviously I got them from Cycle Gear.


    Back to the Agility, I agree with tortoise for the most part. Change the oil 3-4 times during the first 1000 miles, to get anything left by the manufacturing process out. Cheap oil is fine. I use Shell Rotella 15w40 in my Vino and Zuma, I get it by the gallon. Delo is also fine. JMO, but you don't need synthetic if you change it often. Using synthetic won''t hurt anything, but it cost a LOT more, and still needs to be changed just as often, not because it wears out, but because it gets dirty. Leaving oil in an engine for to long causes sludge build up, and seriously shortens the life of the engine.
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  17. Kattzoo

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    That's a great looking scoot! I hope you enjoy every second on it.
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  18. andymach23

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    I got a 2006 Agility 125 last year. I had read positive stuff about these on here. It was cheap as it needed work, so I thought It would be worth a punt as an inexpensive scooter experiment.

    It is pretty beat up looking with a broken floor board,ripped seat, rust etc. The PO had left it outside. It has 20 thousand KM's on it now. It was very smokey on start up so I stuck a set of valve seals in and a new piston and rings for good measure. It was also leaking oil from the cylinder base gasket.

    As the engine is a GY6 clone, parts can be picked up for buttons. A full engine gasket set was less than 10 pounds and the piston kit was about the same. I found it very easy to work on and it is now running great.

    The original Cheng Shin tyre was on the front and it was dodgy in the wet so for safety I bought a new set of Avon Vyper Stryke .These transformed the handling of the scooter.

    The front wheel bearing collapsed when I was out on a run, thankfully I wasn't too far away from home and nursed it back. A new bearing set was very cheap and simple to fit. Not so easy getting the old race out though.

    Another useful point is that it comes standard with a rear rack. This saves even more coin not having to pick one up after market.

    Also interesting to hear comments that it is just as fast as the Zuma 125.

    I'm delighted with mine overall and love having a scooter. Big fun :clap:clap
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  19. DudeClone

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    the first service is good at 600 miles imo. its when i had mine and it is fine. mine was $65 or $95? i don't remember which but one or the other. idk what they do besides change oils and tighten a few things? adjust the brakes, maybe. i think some CLAIM to check the valves. they may or may not...who knows? whatever the case i think an hour labor max...give or take....is fair for a first service. $125 tops if its more involved then a general inspection and oil change. imo the best reason to do it is to keep the warranty intact your first few thousand miles if a "self service" first isn't acceptable to the company . otherwise my experience with this scooter is "gas and go." you should not need to see a dealer for 10,000 miles except for tire changes if you can change the oils and clean the air filter and change the brake pads yourself. i mean you never know...this or that can go wrong now and then. but otherwise after the first service....just ride :D

    i also think you got a fairly good price. MSRP on scooters...especially value scooters...are seldom negotiable. you can find a sale or deal, but don't look for a SPECIAL discount on a $1900 125cc scooter with a two year warranty and reliable dealer and parts network. thats a pretty good deal already. where i live add tax and destination and DMV and prep and roll it all up and it's right there at the $2400 mark depending on dealer particulars.

    plus it's SUMMER, a sellers market. you did well. another guy on the board got his for $2045 but that was from a dealer dropping the brand and closing 'em out. so you did fair :deal
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    Im not going to bother to dig up your post about your left-handed scheme to finagle a new car purchase through a relative out of state to avoid paying taxes in your own state of residence jerry, and from which you derive your income (from taxes) but you seem to want to have things "both ways"....

    Having you proclaim that YOURE not overpaid, but to accuse repeatedly that powersports dealers are getting rich on the backs of their employees and unwitting customers (an industry youre not even a part of) shows just how narrowly focused and ill-informed you are.

    Your opinions about commerce, and the flow of money etc are so twisted it really waters down any value I might get from your posts about stuff which you actually KNOW something about.

    Id venture to guess that were you working in a private enterprise you'd see things in a broader, more balanced way about how business in these United States works and be more empathetic towards the small businessperson trying to supply knuckleheads like us with bikes, parts, and service.

    I must add, I think you know more than enough about scooters and bikes to keep me interested in your posts and consider you a good guy to BS with would it not be for your insistence on singing the same off-key song over and over.
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