I think Garmin has lost their mind!

Discussion in 'Mapping & Navigation' started by HighTechCoonass, Aug 20, 2013.

  1. Emmbeedee

    Emmbeedee Procrastinators

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    I'm not a routes expert but if you transfer the route as Direct, then recalculate it in the gps, I think it would use the waypoints to force it to follow the route, and not recalculate it from scratch.
  2. Mercury264

    Mercury264 Once you go Triple...

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    Thanks for the offer - I did get the routes in eventually but as per normal, it needed a lot of massaging. Thing is, adding waypoints just doesn't always work - on the route I worked on today, I had 2 waypoints and instead of BC routing me on the road BETWEEN the 2 waypoints (which were about a mile apart) it took me on a 10 mile detour. There is simply no reason for crap like that. I also tried modifying the route options and as I mentioned before, there are more options in BC than there are on my GPS (e.g. Unpaved Roads - I'd LOVE there to be an option to take those kinds of roads on my GPS) so that tells me the routing engine HAS to be different.

    I have had several Garmin GPS's so this is nothing new for me. Mapsource is awful and Base Camp is also awful - terrible, just terrible.

    You going to Cromag ? An inmate sent me some routes to get there and it was those I was trying to get to work in my GPS.
  3. Mercury264

    Mercury264 Once you go Triple...

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    Ah, now I didn't try that. Thanks for the heads up - I will try that next time as I have my routes in my GPS now how I want them.
  4. ohgood

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    No piss involved.. There have been several answers on how to do things easily.. But they're ignored. That's all. :)
  5. ohgood

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    Copilot, osmand+ oruxmaps, dualsportmaps, sygic all do great jobs... Try em all out
  6. BillyD

    BillyD Been here awhile

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    Thanks. That's generally good information.

    It works a bit differently on the iPhone, but it works nonetheless.

    On the iPhone, the map area I am able to cache is too small to be of any real use for the type of off-road riding I'm doing these days. Perhaps the amount of available memory I have on the iPhone is limiting the map area I can cache. For instance, I was unable to cache the area defined by Panamint Springs CA in the NW corner and Goler Wash in the SE corner using the Google Maps app.

    Looks like the other applications mentioned, like Copilot et. al, will be the way to go.

    On the licensing question, ohgood, it's one thing for Google to allow limted caching in its own Google Maps application, but I still wonder whether any third party application is allowed to cache Google Maps on its own. For instance, none of the other applications mentioned above (Copilot, osmand+ oruxmaps, dualsportmaps, sygic, Backcountry, Maverick) seem to use Google Maps when offline.
  7. gen

    gen Been here awhile

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    Thats because Google charges a fee to use the data.
  8. ohgood

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    Oh man I'm sorry, didn't realize you were iphoning. The guys I ride with use motionx And say it's great.

    I sounded like a smarter ass earlier. Sorry for that. :)
  9. BillyD

    BillyD Been here awhile

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    To the contrary...I found your comments informative and helpful.

    That's why I'm poking around here! To learn. I know it gets frustrating for those who have been more engaged longer that certain questions and perceptions linger, but there is a reason these are called "discussion forums".

    All is fair game...

    Thanks.

    I don't think Google allows off-line caching at any cost, except for the Google Maps app itself. Secondly, if the third party application was developed using the native Android or IOS SDKs, then no separate license fees are charged for on-line usage. On the other hand, if the Google Maps API SDK was used, then a separate license is required and subject to license fees. At least that's my understanding.
  10. Twohondas

    Twohondas Long timer

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    Perhaps the routes sent to you were built from a different mapset. Not sure if you can use BC if the unit has a different mapset than the Zumo, but make sure the PC and the Zumo are using the same mapset.

    When I pull up old routes of mine and reload into Mapsource (with latest maps update) sometimes I have to tweak my own old routes. I have found this true when I use S&T trips as well as I often build and entire tour route in S&T and then break down the route into day route segments in Mapsource.

    I am still stuck on Mapsource because I just do not want to do thru process of starting again on software till I have to with BC.

    Generally I have had very good luck with my Mapsource routes being identical in the Zumo 550.
  11. Bleemus

    Bleemus Long timer

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    After reading this thread I loaded Copilot on my IPhone and ran it side by side against my Garmin in the cage. For clarity of directions, spoken street names and accurate ETA calc the Garmin won hands down. I will try others.

    Right now, while I search for a better solution I set a destination in Google Maps and start the navigation and drop the phone in my pocket. Not a great solution with no routes but it works with my Sena SMH10R headset.