I want a hack, but need help/advise..

Discussion in 'Hacks' started by skyking32, Mar 27, 2009.

  1. skyking32

    skyking32 Adventurer

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    Hello all. Thanks for all the help in advance. I have a near new fjr1300 in the garage, 2006 under 2k on the bike. Thinking of adding a side car. Will this make a good tug? What modifications would need be done for a good handling rig? Would the front forks have to go and be replaced with a leading link type front end? or can I keep the forks. and install a 13'' car tire some how? Hmm sorry for all the questions. I need help, or maybe a sharp kick in the back side to get started. Oh any advise on a tub that would work well. I live in CT south of hartford I know of no sidecar people near me. Thanks so much for the help. sky.
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  3. RedMenace

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  4. Richard-NL

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    Yamaha’s FJR1300 has become the great successor of the very popular ST 1100 Honda for a sidecar-outfit: <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>
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  5. Uncle Ernie

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    I have a strong suspicion you don't need to go quite that far...
    I thought maybe a more simple California Sidecar might work?
    Anyhoo, www.sidecar.com has people with experience there.
    Also, you should talk to Claude at www.freedomsidecars.com He has a lot of experience with this kind of thing.
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  6. skyking32

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    Thanks for all the help. Richard-NL ... Cool photos! Like the, LBS Racer & the RDS NEPTUNE. Who makes them? are they in the states? Uncle Ernie...Your suspicion is right. I will give claude a call. Also thanks for the website info carlaking, I will have a look. A question, how many hours did you spend on building the rig. Can I be ridding this summer with help? Thanks. sky.
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  7. claude

    claude Sidecar Jockey

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    Skyking wrote:
    >>snip....... I have a near new fjr1300 in the garage, 2006 under 2k on the bike. Thinking of adding a side car. Will this make a good tug? What modifications would need be done for a good handling rig? Would the front forks have to go and be replaced with a leading link type front end? or can I keep the forks. and install a 13'' car tire some how? Hmm sorry for all the questions. I need help, or maybe a sharp kick in the back side to get started. Oh any advise on a tub that would work well. I live in CT south of hartford I know of no sidecar people near me. Thanks so much for the help. sky.<<

    SKY,
    So you are in CT? Hmmm...no more 'Out of th eblue of the western sky'?
    Oh well.... I Always enjoyed your show. How's Penny anyhow?

    As you can see from the pictures the FJs can make nice sidecar rigs. The picture shown by Redmenace is of a Sidebike Comanchee. This was a high performance application specificaslly for the FJ12s. To think that Sidebike thought enough of that bike as a tug to utilize it for a specific production model means a lot. That setup, of which there are a few here in the states, was far more of a machi9ne than what you may be contemplating (Car tires, center hub front end, sidecar steering etc). The pics that RichardNL posted are also examples of top shelf rigs.

    Do you have to go to that extreme? The answer is no. One good thing about this 'sport' is that you can 'get your feet wet' and create a decent handling and safe rig without going all out from the start.

    The FJ bikes do have a lot going for them compared to some others. The trail is not excessive which means that you can begin with basically a stock front end and then 'move up' from there if you choose to do so. I woudl ,however , suggest going to different handlebars for more leverage. Running the forks up through the trees a little will also help as woudl a lower profiile front tire if one is avaiable.

    Next step up woudl be a leading link front end. Center hub is also an option bu tthat is getting much more involved and leaning toward a true purpose built rig.

    If we were going to do the build for you I would almost insist you add an antiswaybar as part of the project.

    You will need a good subframe built for the bike to allow good placemtn of mounts and also provide godo rigidity to the whole assembly.

    The rear wheel and tire can remain stock or be made into a car wheel conversion. H T Wheels ( Harry Tarzian) coudl take care of that for you either from the outset of later on.

    As far as the sidecar itself goes that is a tough question in that many options are around. I have seen various sidecars mated to FJs with decent results. You woudl want soemthing with enough weight and suspension on it to do th ejob though. Going too small trying to keep price down is a huge mistake fairly comon to people just getting into this madness and is false economy.

    There are quite a few log time sidecarists up your way. You might want to check out this site, Bill Ballou, Bill Mc Sheehy, Roger Symington and other
    High Performance Guys hang out there. :
    http://hpsidecars.com/index.htm

    Stacy Goff is also a good guy...his email is:HOSERSBG@aol.com

    Say hello for me.

    Of course feel free to PM or give me a call if you wish. Sounds like a great project no matter which approach you decide upon:D :D
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  8. Richard-NL

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    Couldn't find any FJR 1300 outfit that was built in a simpler way. These are the rigs that run here.

    The RDS Neptune can be found in the States.

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  9. Richard-NL

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    Topic Starter has a FJR 1300.

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  10. claude

    claude Sidecar Jockey

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    This is a Vetter Terraplane rig Bill Ballou built years back based on an FJ1200. He did the leading link etc. There was an article on it in Hack'd Magazine and back issues may still be avaiable. Click here:
    http://www.hackd.com/home.html

    Thje Terraplanes are still around on the used market at reasonable prices. Good well thought out sidecars.With a few mods to the mounting system and possibly a different wheel combination they are a godo shoice. We will be doing a modified Terraplane / 1250 Suzuki Bandit build soon.


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  11. GSIslander

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    I have often thought of adding a sidecar and understand the need for stronger forks, maybe even the leading link.....

    But WHY would they NEED a a car tire on the front???
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  12. claude

    claude Sidecar Jockey

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    The desire for a car tire on the front and 'needing' one are a different story. The wide front tires do help a lot in braking and turns away from the sidecar when a rig is pushed hard. Wide front tires also have their downsides as many times getting them to stop trying to follow irregularites in the road surface can be a challenge.
    Richard??
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  13. GSIslander

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    Ok that makes sense, thanks.
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  14. skyking32

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    Claude.. Lots of good info, thanks. I very much like the looks of the RDS NEPTUNE. (silver car with the two black stripes on the nose) A decent handling and safe rig would be a good place to start (for me) could I get this using the stock wheels, a subframe (who makes that) and a antisway bar? Is there a shop up my way that could do a build like this? or would I order the parts from you and build this in my garage? So many questions!! sorry this is all new to me. SKY
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  15. claude

    claude Sidecar Jockey

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    I am not all that familar with the French made RDS Sidecars. If there is a dealer in the states for them I am not aware of it. I have included a link to their website below so you can check them out.
    http://tinyurl.com/d6g6mf
    http://www.sidecars-rds.fr/

    You asked:
    >>A decent handling and safe rig would be a good place to start (for me) could I get this using the stock wheels, a subframe (who makes that) and a antisway bar? Is there a shop up my way that could do a build like this? or would I order the parts from you and build this in my garage? <<

    Safety is always the top priority of course. Yes, a rig can be made that will handle okay without going the full route. Check out the contacts in my previous post.

    As far as ordering parts from us for you to do the build at home? We can supply some parts and pieces mailorder but unless you are good at fabrication and have a good knowledge of sidecar application I woudl advise against it. Some key items such as the subframe and some other things would have to be built in house with the bike, and preferably the sidecar, being here. Much depends on which road you woudl decide to take. A fairly straight forward sidecar rig compared to a full on HPS rig is an apples and oranges comnparison
    at best not only in design but also budget wise.

    You may also want to google Dauntless Motors and see if Jay has a subframe for your bike. He does them for quite a few bikes with jigs and ships them out. Dunno about your bike though. We do not build with jigs but rather build each subframe for each specific application.
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  16. skyking32

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    Claude. Not wanting to go with a high performance rig to start, are there other tubs (other then the terraplane) That are made in the states that you feel would be a good fit for the fjr? The passenger would be on the small side (wife) Something with a some what, sporty look. Is there much of a used market out there? I will look into the contacts you have given me jays name at dauntless motors seems to come up often. Thanks for all the help. I may be calling you, till then be well. sky king.
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  17. Uncle Ernie

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    If I remember right, USCA (sidecar.com) has a list of most manufacturers.
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  18. bk brkr baker

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    skyking32, the RDS you like in the pics belongs to my pal Jay. It was put together for him by my other pal Ralph.If you look up Somefear .com there are build photos on the RDS. You'll see right away that the RDS is acomplete package. The bikes front suspension is supported by the sidecar frame.
    The bike and SC plus the build cost in the range of 30K. But it is really comparable to a nice sports roadster. Think Mini S convertable or Z-4, but a lot less common.
    Car tires make sense because the tread surface is flat and in contact with the road. Bike tires with their rounded profile only put a small area to use. Also bike tire are very expensive by comparison to auto tires.
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  19. skyking32

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    Uncle Ernie....Thanks for the site...I'll check it out. bk blkr Baker. 30k is just a wee bit more then I wanted to spend right now!! cool rig tho.
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  20. MikeS

    MikeS For sure let's do it

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    One down side of the wider, flat front tire is that expansion joints in the roadway tend to grab the front end and yank you across the expansion joint. It's mostly a problem in construction at highway speed, when you're detoured over to the blacktop shoulder from the concrete roadway. With your single steer tire running near the expansion joint, you can be yanked back and forth.

    The added traction of the flat front tire for cornering, plus strength of a leading link or center hub front end go hand in hand as upgrades. I'd never run a car tire on the steer axle without also having a reduced trail front end.
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