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I want a hack, but need help/advise..

Discussion in 'Hacks' started by skyking32, Mar 27, 2009.

  1. claude

    claude Sidecar Jockey

    Mar 17, 2002
    Middleburg, Pa. (Snyder County)
    Just receive this:
    2003 Yamaha FJR1300 w/ RDS sidecar for sale

    Built by Ralph Gerken & Jay Hall.

    Penske custom built shocks.

    Blue flame exhaust system.

    2 power outlets, bar raisers, and wider mirrors (from FZ bike).

    I am on the West Coast and will work with anybody to deliver it in the 48 states.


    Click for pictures:

    Ben Devine

    Kelseyville, CA 95451

    home phone: 707-277-0510

    e-mail: bjdatppc@yahoo.com
  2. Bandit Bill

    Bandit Bill Newfie Rocketeer

    Nov 4, 2006
    Somewhere between Hamilton, Ontario and Hell
    Claude is on the money on this - car tires on the front end are beneficial, but with a leading link type front end, the rider has to be aware of it's potential limitations/liabilities. It's much more suitable for a centre-hub type design, IMHO.. but will work perfectly fine on a LL front end if the rider is aware of it's potential limitations in handling/braking situations.

    I went to a leading link front end after a near miss off a cliff face at Deals Gap a number of years ago. I'm a somewhat aggressive rider, and a stock tire setup was both ponderous in handling in terms of the stock rake/trail setup, and sub-par in grip under power in corners. Often, i'd find the whole rig skipping/drifting sideways at the front end, even under smooth application of power. There simply wasn't enough 'meat on the table' to deal with traction on the road.

    However, with a leading link type front end and an automotive front tire, the same can be held true, when hard braking is put into the equation. With the wheel turned, the tire contact patch rides up onto the edge, one side or the other. Without enough contact to the road, the wheel can lock up and break traction suddenly. I've performed impromptu and unintentional braking maneuvers going fully sideways, because the front wheel has locked up under heavy braking, slewing the whole bike sideways from inertia and lack of compensatory braking at the rear and sidecar brake (i'm in the habit of using the front brakes only).

    I whole-heartedly believe in the value of an automotive front tire - under normal, straight line braking, nothing stops faster with all that meat on the plate. ridden with the 'ride-up' factor in mind, and ridden smoothly, most if not all people would not have a problem with my design setup. That said, however, if i were to do it all again, i would have mated the automotive front tire to a center hub design, to virtually eliminate the inherent weakness of a LL / Automotive tire combination..

  3. bk brkr baker

    bk brkr baker Long timer

    Jul 19, 2006
    The Bluegrass
    I've ridden Jay's FJ and it is sweet. Ralph set this one up for Ben after the learning process he went through with Jay's. I wish I had the funds. If someone does and wants a special rig this is a deal.
  4. MikeS

    MikeS For sure let's do it

    Oct 2, 2003
    South of the Border on the Minnesota Riviera

    First, IMO, you'll be ahead cash wise to buy a rig already mated to a motorcycle, and sell your FJR as a two wheeler - or keep the FJR and have a sidecar outfit and a two wheeler. Sidecars don't sell fast in the used market. Besides, this is your first outfit, and you likely don't know if you'll like it or not.

    My suggestion is to locate a low mileage, older used outfit with reduced trail front end, maybe car tire on the rear, and all set up and ready to go. I went that way with my GL1100-EML outfit, and I'm very happy I did. Decades ago, I had a bolt on sidecar on a then newish '71 BMW R60, and I eventually hated it because of it's poor handling because of the incomplete set up. Getting back in to sidecars, I knew I wanted a well set up, dedicated rig, and I'm glad I went with my GL-EML outfit. It's such a hoot to drive!

    If you want a high end FJR-RDS outfit, here's one I found in CA, which I would love to own & pilot:
  5. chairhead

    chairhead HAIRY

    Feb 15, 2008
    not to piss on anyones fireworks,great looking outfit,real quality,but the chair is very tight to the bike no?,the chair also looks very small,or is the guy sat in it an absolute giant,luggage space for me would be an issue or lack of it in this case,great if you only have a laptop to pack:D
  6. bk brkr baker

    bk brkr baker Long timer

    Jul 19, 2006
    The Bluegrass
    That's my friend Stevie in the chair. He's about 6' -6'1" so tall but not giant. And the outfit is heavily oriented toward the sporty end , not really a do it all tour rig.There is a small space behind the seat for a few cold ones that's about all.
  7. cmaridersa

    cmaridersa Adventurer

    Mar 27, 2007
    Hondo, TX
    Wondering if anyone has photos of existing bike-side mounts (righthand chair) for/on a suzuki bandit 1250.
  8. cleatusj

    cleatusj Dirt floor engineer

    Dec 17, 2010
    Granbury, TX