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Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by Jeephoto, Nov 14, 2013.
Sure we will see a new Scrambler for 2015 with seriously upgraded engine etc.... so wait
I do think looks are an important selling factor for the entire classic twin line. If there were more bikes like it maybe we'd look to those also. But the classic twins are very much like a Harley (or an old school standard bike) in that it's a clean slate to make into what you envision it to be. With today's highly stylized and pre-segmented bikes you better like it or tear it down to bare bones and start over to get anything else.
I thought long and hard about restyling my Vstrom 1k. I loved a great deal about it, but the styling mostly left me cold. I seriously considered a complete revamp on the styling and have the means to accomplish it, but in the end the task was so complex it was easier to sell it and move onto something else that tugged at my heart strings more.
Another factor that often gets lost here on ADVrider is, not everybody wants a bike for a tour to Alaska or 600 mile days. I do realize this is the mecca for the longer distance crowd and fully appreciate that, but as pointed out in the post above, maybe 20% of the intended use "may" be longer distance touring. The balance of the bike's use might be local riding, be it for pleasure or commuting. In addition a great many posters here have multiple bikes so a Scrambler many not need to perform all duties at 80%+ functionality.
I'm looking at a Scrambler to slot in between my other bikes and provide that strong emotional excitement and fun to ride factor my KLR just won't ever have. Granted my Stelvio does provide quite a bit of that but I really would like to own another vintage type/styled bike, especially one that readily lends itself to customizing.
I'm looking for the modern technology built vintage bike to replace what my Norton Commando wasn't quite. I test rode an Enfield Bullet 500 classic thinking it might provide what I was looking for. Unfortunately Enfield hasn't made enough changes to progress and the bike still rides like a 1950s bike, plus they want $6k for one. It's worth about the $3,500 they sell for in India. The Triumph classic twins actually perform to modern standards at very attractive prices, which is what makes them so friggen attractive to many.
Foot Dragger, what follows is not personally directed at you, so please bare with me.
Despite what anyone says, the Scrambler is plenty capable of saddle sore type days. The rider, however, may not be capable of such days. Too many people around here fall into this mentality that a machine has to be perfectly comfortable for them to ride 500 mile days without so much as a sore ass. If it won't do that, then they think the machine isn't capable.
This mentality is bullshit. We call this "adventure" for a reason. RTWdoug has done more on an old Indian than most people here will do in their entire lives. That Indian lacked butt massagers, heated grips, and the usual $3k of Touratech accessories that most seem to think are required to ride to the grocery store around here. Adventure is all about taking what you've got and doing great things with it. If it doesn't challenge you, then you aren't on an adventure.
I just sold my 60's Triumphs....hardtail chops no less. They were just as capable of 500 mile days as my modern Bonnie, my Ural, and even my Husky. Quite frankly, they were more fun to do those rides too. At the end of a 500mi day on my Husky, I've simply reached my destination. But with my old bikes, I've freaking accomplished something at the end of a 500 mile day. You can't replace that feeling with panniers, fuel injection, and butt warmers.
Sent from the voices in my head and transcribed by their drinking buddy...
I've posted elsewhere that if I had to choose 1 bike to keep and live with from now on from all of them in my collection, it would likely be the Scram. It just does everything quite nicely. Not outstanding in any one area, but does a good job all around, including the looks department.
And...for me anyhow, it's the most comfortable bike I own. I can spend longer in the saddle on the Scram than any other.
Sure it's no Harley for touring, nor Duc for sport bike work, nor XR for trail duty....but then again the Harley would suck on the trail nor could it cut a line like the Duc.
If you remember the term UJM from the 70's and 80's, 'universal Japanese morotrycle', I'd say the new Triumphs are a reincarnation of that, the Scram just adds a bit of style as well.
this has got to be the best and most honest thing i have read on this forum since i've joined.
I've read elsewhere that the Scram would not make as good an Adventure bike as a BMW GS. Honestly, how the hell do they figure that???? Is the GS lighter...no...is the GS easier to handle in the tight stuff..no...So what exactly is it the GS would do better?? Eat up highway miles? maybe, it does have a bigger tank and can carry more crap. so if that is really the case, then the whole adventure bike argument is irrelevant, you're just looking for a touring bike. Any tourer can take a gravel road if need be, do you really need a GS for that.
This Scram is far more capable to do anything than any bike was 40 years ago, and people did everything then that they are doing now. So really, to RidingDonkeys point, suck it up buttercup.
Now if the question was, should I be getting an XT225 to go from Keywest to Alaska, that could spark a debate, although it is doable.
All this talk makes me want a Scram.
I'd agree 100%.
I truly miss the "UJMs" and other standard style bikes. So many of today's preconceived bikes don't offer enough flexibility in use or reconfiguration by the owner into what he wants the bike to be.
It may require more money to get a standard bike configured for your needs, but at least it's feasible and often easier than trying to reconfigure something else. Just try to reconfigure something like a Vstrom or Versys, let alone something like most modern sport bikes.
I hope Honda sells a ton of CB1100s to help open up the UJM market, but unfortunately I don't see too many on the road yet. Now that they adjusted the price into reality maybe more will sell. I find it quite appealing but the Triumph classic line appeals to me more and there's no comparing the aftermarket support. Triumph has been at it a long time.
I thought the KLR was a touring bike. If it isn't, then there sure a whole lot of people out there doing it wrong.
I've done 3,000+ miles in six days on a DR650. According to popular opinion, KLR is supposed to be the better touring rig of the two. It certainly has much better wind protection. I'd tour with that.
Thus concludes my opinion.
I guess I don't fit the Adventure Rider definition. I really feel like it's an adventure to me when my son on his Tiger XC800 and me on my KLR get out of DFW and explore the County and Farm to Market roads. Both bikes do this well, it's just when we need to jump on the freeways that I would rather have a multi cylinder bike. Some of the rides we would like to do (Texas coast and Hill Country, SE Oklahoma, New Mexico) will require slabbing it to save time.
True, KLRs are ridden all over the world. But I haven't and don't want to, put alot of money into creating my ideal bike.
The Scrambler is a pretty bike. The KLR is a tool. If you want a better tool for a job get a better tool. If you want a pretty bike get the pretty one, but don't expect that it's going to do the job you want as good as the right tool.
Totally agree. I bought the touring dream at one point of my life. BMW GS and all the riding gear. Turns out I rode a lot less because navigating that top heavy farkled out bike out of my shop was a hassle when I just wanted to ride a spontaneous hundred mile joy ride with my buddies, run to the bookstore or jump on my motorcycle to get bolts at the hardware store. The reality of job and family obligations require a lot of us to take our adventures in smaller doses. This may change when I retire, but for now I enjoy an all around style of bike that fits my real life riding needs.
And as for it being pretty...guilty as charged.
finding that "right" bike is half the fun! it's just a lot cheaper to have friends with bikes that will let you try them out before you buy.
When you went into the garage did you ever think to yourself
"My God, that KLR is one nostalgic & pretty hunk of metal!"
'Nuff said....go buy the Scrambler, & if worst comes to worst, you will be able to sell the Scram' without much trouble.
Scrambler knocks out 300 mile "counseling" sessions, weekend trips, commuting and fishing holes aplomb! I'm 6' 2" and even with the wind blast, it's a simple. No "doohickey" to replace ON EVERY SINGLE MOTOR...
Get the Scrambler!
rough terrain at a decent pace. A GS has almost twice the travel and much better damping. If I slow down and pick my way through the scrambler is ok, but stuff I barely notice on my 640adv and the scrambler gets really ugly, really quick.
Hmm.... I think the only thing a KLR has going for it over the Scrambler is a larger fuel tank and a bit 'O wind protection. The KLR has more suspension travel but stock about 1/3 gets soaked up just sitting on the bike.
I think if you add a small windscreen to a Scrambler you've nearly surpassed a KLR in functionality for 75% of the riders out there. You might stop for gas a bit more but after riding a KLR the same distance your butt will tell you to get off anyway, been there..... after riding the Scram there's NO comparison in smoothness or stability on the freeway.
LOL, good outlook RD.
My Scrambler has been quite a few places and the solo seat is the most comfortable all day saddle I have ever owned (of 30+ bikes).
The fly screen keeps the majority of wind blast off, and with the two I have done many 300+ mile days and a few 500 plus mile days.
I can brake as hard as most of my friends, ride through the corners at least as fast and have done many dirt/fire/logging roads.
I have rode circles around a couple of BMW GS's on road and off.
Is it the fastest? No, it runs about dead even with a 650 Vstrom or 1200 Sportster. Luggage can be a struggle, and do travel light. Get rear shocks. Stay off single track...
And go out and enjoy!
i do. i'm one of those weirdos who thinks a KLR is pretty. like a new shiny leatherman multi-tool. i even get "nostalgic" when i look at that 30 year old engine!
Very wise words.