I Want To Do DAKAR (The Right Way)

Discussion in 'Racing' started by J Lewis, Dec 5, 2011.

  1. hilslamer

    hilslamer 2XRedheadedstepchild

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    Interested. Subscribed. PM'ed.

    Will there be a specific class on budget, fundraising, and the beancounting side of things? How about one specifically tied to logistics and the like? If I were to seriously endeavor to something like this, those would be my weakpoints. I can ride, train my self physically, and can navigate some although I need practice - not training - over all else.

    Would it be possible to only attend only classes like these(if part of the curriculum) and skip the riding training, etc?
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  2. J Lewis

    J Lewis Numb Nuts

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    That is a vital part of any rally preperation and actually the one that I would be least qualified to answer questions about. But I would like to have that addressed and I will make sure I have someone who is good at that handle that part of the program.

    JIMMY
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  3. WildeBees

    WildeBees n00b

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    Have been planning to go to the 2014 Dakar but need to focus next year on training and some other issues I do not know about... What would a typical year look like for the following:

    1. Training
    2. Riding Skills
    3. Navigation
    4. Logistics
    5. Budget
    6. ...

    Would appreciate if we can make a list of issues to keep in mind and maybe expand them as the thread grows, Vegas is also unfortunately really on the other side of the world for me... ; )

    ?
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  4. Genghis Swan

    Genghis Swan Been here awhile

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    I know this is off topic and I wish you success with your new venture, however, I really prefer your editing style of Dirt Rider. Things just aren't the same there.
    You have time to do both?
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  5. J Lewis

    J Lewis Numb Nuts

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    For anything DR, start another thread in general discussions and I will respond there. I would love to see what the ADV community thinks... or thinks they know about it becuase I love rumors too!

    JIMMY
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  6. Bartron

    Bartron Bike Punisher

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    subscribed and interested

    Lots of hopes and dreams here but with serious time, budget and talent restraints.

    Nonetheless, a program such as this could be very exciting for a fella like me.

    Keep the updates flowing.
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  7. wrk2surf

    wrk2surf on the gas or brakes

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    Jimmy, I sent you a email about a rally school in Feb and I think Chris Dennison (or RJ) is doin a great job by the way...
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  8. miguez

    miguez Miguez Rally Racing

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    Done, see here.
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  9. Stagehand

    Stagehand Imperfectionist

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    I would love to get in on this somehow. Was just talking to a friend about how to get to the Raid L'Amitie, this year.

    I rode with you once Jimmy and have been trying to figure out how to do it again, since. Its high time Jason did an overseas thing and youre the best out there, as far as I'm concerned, no smoke up your ass intended.
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  10. KTMforget

    KTMforget Been here awhile

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    Definitely interested.

    Having attended several of Jimmy's classes over the years, I can say they are extremely worthwhile, whether you plan to race or not. This project sounds like a great time regardless

    Subscribed...
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  11. bigborefan

    bigborefan Making new friends

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    I have no plans to ride Dakar, but I would love to come out and play Dakar racer sometime. I like the idea of the enthusiast rally running parallel. A bike rental sounds great also.

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  12. crazymac

    crazymac Adventurer

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    This is exactly what I have been looking for! Count me in! Since I am from the Midwest, being able to take advantage of the fly-n-bike rental option would be best for me.

    Crazymac
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  13. Wild Man

    Wild Man Escape Artist

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    In for 2012 class(es) :thumb Already have a reserved slot for your January standard clinic.

    Subscribed too. :deal

    Missed an opportunity to train last year with Charlie and crew so I'm happy to learn you're considering this effort. I'll keep my fingers crossed there are enough enthusiasts and prospective privateers that will make it viable for you because I am very interested in participating.

    Thanks JL!
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  14. J Lewis

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    So far it seems like there is enough interest to make this happen and I'm positive it will only get more traction while Dakar is going on. I have been building an e-mail list in addition to keeping everyone informed here if/when this goes forward.

    Now interest has to combine with timing and schedules to make it all work out.

    I have a few big projects through Feb. so nothing will happen previous to that from the training side, but logistically, I'm working on it, especially the availability of rental bikes and having the right equiptment. I suspect for planning the first class would be in mid-late March.

    JIMMY
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  15. Tarheel Wheeler

    Tarheel Wheeler Around

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    Great idea JL. Pm'd and emailed you.

    Subscribed as well. :lurk
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  16. Lav1200

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    I would love to do an "enthusiasts" version of the boot camp. The prospect of hitting Dakar as a competitor is too far-fetched for me at this (late) stage of my riding years, but I would be all over a boot camp for wannabes. having access to a rental bike would be a must-have for doing a fly 'n ride.

    PM sent.
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  17. Cpt. Ron

    Cpt. Ron Advrider #128

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    Subscribed. This is a very interesting idea to me. An hors 'doeuvre to the dream of rally racing....In all honesty, I don't see myself fulfilling the ultimate dream of hitting Dakar. Age, family, funds, the typical story. But I would like to know what it takes to get there. I know in my heart I have the mindset and internal drive to pull off something like this.
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  18. Adv Grifter

    Adv Grifter on the road o'dreams

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    This could make financial sense if you could attract clients at the Pro level.
    Maybe try to appeal to established Pros and interest their sponsors/agents in getting on board with doing rallies? ... then getting the Dakar specific training that is essential to win. Dakar recognition is growing in the USA ... slowly, but it's getting bigger.

    The most likely candidates for Dakar training would come from our own AMA Enduro, GNCC, Hare & Hound, ISDE and other Desert Series. All pros with the proper fitness, youth and skills to win the event. But they don't work for free ... nor should they.

    These "feeder" series are ideal to find future Dakar winners. All these guys know how to train and are pretty tough. How long they can ride without sleep? That's another issue. :huh

    Find the very best guys and get their sponsors to pay you to train them ... and then see if they are smart enough to learn to do navigation at 70 mph and how to cheat as good as the French do. :D

    Over The Hill casual or X racers are out, IMO. No real chance. Rich guys can pay their way but no chance of finishing ... let alone winning it. We need guys at the top of their racing careers ... not at the end. As in every sport ... Youth will prevail.

    Problem is few major sponsors, including the Big Four Japanese OEM's have any interest in Dakar or international rallies. Much more interest in Europe. It's a zero gain for most US based sponsors ... but maybe their perceptions could be shifted?

    How can you "sell" them on a new way of looking at this?

    It could take a generation to establish a viable US "team" of riders ... if we started now. But once a program was up and running US riders could do well ... with proper sponsorship and training. :clap
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  19. gagnaou

    gagnaou Long timer

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    Seems like the guys who do well in Dakar tend to be more mature though...
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  20. Adv Grifter

    Adv Grifter on the road o'dreams

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    True ... but how old were they when they started? Will take a whole generation of riders to finally gain the skill and knowledge to win. Start them young.
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