ID'ing antique hack

Discussion in 'Hacks' started by CharlieT, Oct 22, 2013.

  1. CharlieT

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    Feeling like the American Pickers here. Going thru a pole barn at a barn sale, my son Ted saw an old wheel/fender buried under a bunch of boxes, behind some sheets of plywood. Asked what it was and the person said an old cart of some kind that was missing a wheel. We moved some plywood and lift the boxes off of it. Told the person it wasn't missing a wheel, it was missing two wheels...the two wheels of the motorcycle it would have been attached to. He didn't even know it was a sidecar they had buried back in the corner.

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    May not look like too much, but inside it was a couple of very old,thick, hard, cracked handlebar grips that said "Indian" along with some old copper oil cans with stampings that were from a company that made them in the early part of the last century.

    Scanning the net for antique sidecars and narrowing it down to Indian sidecars, we found that exact wheel/fender on a 1928 Indian sidecar that had a conventional passenger sidecar body. Still searching for more confirmation.
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  2. CharlieT

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    Here's a pic of the under-carraige/frame:


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  3. CharlieT

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    A couple more pics.

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  4. CharlieT

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    Anyone with an ideas on identifying this car, feel free to chime in!
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  5. MotoJ

    MotoJ Mobtown Hacker

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    First tell us if you bought it!
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  6. CharlieT

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    Of course I bought it. For the price I paid, if nothing else, it would be a great conversation piece to have on display in the shop.
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  7. Old Mule

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    I suppose you have spent the last few days looking for 1923 Indians on the web...let us know when you find and buy one...
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  8. Qwik

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    Make it a hardtail so it rides the same as the car.
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  9. CharlieT

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    My heart and soul say yes....but my wallet says no way.:cry:cry:cry


    However...would be willing to accept a donation of one.
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    Dan Alexander Ride Far - Ride Fast

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  11. CharlieT

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    I wouldn't call the box "homemade", unless it was a very skilled craftsman. Looks more like a factory grade build. And it does look like something that was used to carry tools or whatever. Besides the Indian grips that were in it, there was also a couple of copper oil cans and an old, stiff set of leather welding gloves and a small pry bar. In looking up info on old servi-cars before, a common use back than was to make service/repair calls with them. Maybe this was set-up for a similar purpose??

    Not quite like that one in the link. The springs on mine mount under the frame rails and the long side of the triangular frame is not curved at the end where it attachs to the other frame rail.
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  12. CharlieT

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    Here are the grips that were in the box:

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    The only info I could find on the Durhide leather gauntlet gloves were multiple ads from the late 1920's.
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  13. CharlieT

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    Appear to have found a pic what appears to be those grips on a bike:

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    So between the grips, gloves and oil cans....more and more looking like the 1920's era.
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  14. Dan Alexander

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    Ok, I've got the frame, has the same springs under the body and the fender is the same

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    That last one is close. Appears to be the samw fender/wheel and that is the only pic I've seen with the front coil springs, which do look like the same mount. The front frame rail is different, curved, not straight. Also can't make out any f/b leaf spring.

    This is the pic that got us looking at Indian rigs:
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    That wheel and fender are a dead ringer for the one we got. Now seeing the front coil spring mounts, even more convinced it is an Indian model.
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    maybe like this?

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    Well, the mystery may be solved. Heard from Jay at DMC. He has a framed Indian advertisement circa 1920's that shows an Indian delivery sidecar that looks absolutely identical, right down to the color.
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  18. Dan Alexander

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    Congrats!!

    Great to know the exact model and year.

    That's an amazing find for you guys, kudo's to be able to rescue it from forgottenness (if that's a word)


    I'd really like to see a pic ... of that pic :deal :deal
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  19. CharlieT

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    I've asked him if he could take a pic of that ad and send it to me. From what I understand from back in that time period, a lot of the hack frames were used for a number of styles over a period of years with minor modifications as time went along or for a particular purpose of use. May only be able to narrow it down to a period of time instead of an exact year as you would be able to do with a bike.

    If he sends me a pic of the ad, will post it up here.
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  20. CharlieT

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    OK, now the next question. Not sure what I am going to do with it. I wish I had a 1920's Indian to attach it to, but I don't. I could pull the Ural rig I have on a customized GoldWing I have and attach this one. Which begs the question, restore it or leave it as-is in its original finish. Considering its age, it is in very good condition. I could always just leave as is and set it up out in the display area of our shop as a conversation pieces. Anyone one have any idea on its value as is?? It seems to be a very rare bird, so I can't seem to find any comparisons. Found some later model, conventional Indian sidecars, but nothing like this.


    Oh, and yeah, I know its worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it.
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