Importing a bike from the States to Canada

Discussion in 'Canada' started by Duster929, Oct 3, 2007.

  1. farmerger

    farmerger Snowed in Adventurer

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    You need to be careful as they can and will ask for details on the listing. If its still on the web they will look at the listing and asking price and if the two aren't close you may have a problem.
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    Jbone11 11 Been here awhile

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    Thats all fine and good. What does that prove? So you haggled the guy down. If he says you paid him X amount and signed off on that, they cant say much. I listed my 990 for $12000 ended up selling for $9500....is CBSA or Border Services going to nail you because your add on ADVrider says the larger amount??:lol3
  3. farmerger

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    Sadly, yes. If you also have proof of payment, like a money order copy or electronic transfer record, you'll be fine. But if you paid in cash, and the price you claim is $2500 less than the asking price, they may get nasty.
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  4. gumbellion

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    The last bike I brought over I kept all the emails, financial transactions, and the original ad to give to the CBSA. The first BMW I imported they were convinced I was trying to screw the system and they even made several attempts to contact the seller on the price paid on the bike. He wasn't home so I was stuck at the crossing for an hour while they pissed around. The reasoning they gave me. "That's a BMW, and they are expensive so you must have paid much more than what it says on your notarized bill of sale" eventually they let me go but the ad on here had been deleted so they figured I was up to no good.
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  5. H e a d N o r t h

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    Agreed on keeping all documentation - they are a suspicious bunch (rightly so, as it seems many people try to undervalue the import).
    I kept and showed all documentation (including a printed copy of the entire correspondence chain that identified final agreed price). That worked out OK, though they did look at me funny.
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    Jbone11 11 Been here awhile

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    :roflGeez...can you blame them? The fact that the man wants a piece of a bike that's had tax paid on it many times over is laughable at best. Tax on import, tax at the MTO, Tax every year you own it, tax at the pump....gemme a break.
    CBSA are suspicious because it beat into them....everyone's a crook and/or a terrorist. I've worked with them abroad a bit....some are great folks, most are not.....but thats another topic.

    Bottom line is this, if you have your paperwork in order and a bill of sale....hand written or typed should not factor as either is just as easy to produce and no more "authentic" then you will be fine. Keep it reasonable. If the bike is a 10K beast and you roll up with a 2.5K bill of sale prepare to answer some questions or take a hammer to the fairings to show them why you got the deal :imaposer

    If you got the Tax Nazi, dont sweat it. If you are courteous and polite and give them zero grounds to nail you, and your paperwork is solid, there is piss all they can really do. Dont be affraid to talk to supervisors either...just make sure you ask to be present before they speak to them though...I learned that one the hard way.
  7. manybike

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    Actually...CBSA can do whatever they want. Importing a vehicle is a privilege...not a right (just like your drivers license)
    I believe they have the right to value your vehicle at what they consider fair market value regardless of what you paid if it appears to be too good to be true.
    For the difference in GST or whatever it is just best to be straight up.
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  8. CanadaBiker

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    Has anyone ever imported a 'project' bike into Canada? Say an old BMW airhead. And then get it registered as 'unfit'? I get confused by the Canadian Tire step if the bike is just a frame, block and baskets of parts.

    Thoughts?

    Edit:
    - I just read that vehicles over 15 years old are exempt from the RIV program.
    - that leaves getting the ITN #
    - I've read that the Canadian side doesn't really care if you have the ITN# or if the U.S. title has been stamped by the U.S. side.
    - I've also read that lots of guys don't bother with the ITN #, since you don't actually go through US custom when exiting the US
  9. bmwnewbie

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    I just imported my BMW into Canada. You get an ITN from a broker I used AD Rutherford out of Winnipeg, it cost me $50.00 and you then go through the usual importation process.
  10. Lornce

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    Just going through this now with a '93 BMW from Minnesota.

    Never had to deal with an ITN# before, this is something new. Do you need to hire a broker to acquire this number? Not having much success decoding the AES Direct website...

    Anyone know?
  11. bmwnewbie

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    Yes, you have to use a broker they charge you $50.00. I Used a broker out of Winnipeg, AD Rutherford, good people to work with, they get you the ITN and send you the package to send the US Customs.

    bmwnewbie
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  12. Commuter Boy

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    No, you can get one on your own, but it's painful to figure out how the first time. A broker makes it a LOT easier.
  13. Lornce

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    You know how to get an ITN# without a broker?
  14. Commuter Boy

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    Had to deal with cross border consulting and business issues in the past. When I looked at it a couple years ago when they linked it to vehicle exports it didn't seem to have changed that much.

    It's like having a gst number up here, they need a unique identifier for each business / individual doing business down there. It isn't black magic or anything, but US bureaucracy is PAINFUL. I'd pay a broke $50 not to have to read through all that crap again.
  15. Lornce

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    You mean the ITN# is basically your number that you will retain and use for all future transactions?
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    Now you made me look it up again!

    I misspoke, I thought he was talking about getting a US tax number to get registered in the AES system. That's a TIN / EIN (I read ITN and mixed it up). You get one of those that's permanent, then you register in AES, then you can get the ITN generated yourself, which is a one off for each transaction (but now that you have registered in AES you can do it much easier for subsequent exports).

    If you get a broker to do it they already have an AES account, so you just need to give them your passport or Nexus number then they can generate the ITN for you.
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    Can anybody recommend a Southern Ontario broker they've dealt with to get an ITN number?

    :dunno
  18. bmwnewbie1

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    AD Rutherford is in Winnipeg and I did for through phone calls and email and I am in Calgary.
  19. SorryEh

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    I'm a customs broker in Mississauga if anyone needs help with this PM me.
  20. bmwnewbie1

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    What is your fee to get the the paperwork to the US Border Point?