In at the (very) Deep End.. A Norton Story.

Discussion in 'Old's Cool' started by England-Kev, Nov 5, 2011.

  1. England-Kev

    England-Kev Long timer

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    today was a day for getting idea's and measurements, because today a nice old International model 30 rolled into the workshop while I was there having a cup of tea...

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  2. England-Kev

    England-Kev Long timer

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    plenty there for inspiration, and the observant amongst you will notice this is a different bike from the Inter I usually grab pictures of...:evil
  3. Velocipede

    Velocipede Been here awhile

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    Aye,she's a beauty Kevin.Looks like a genuine unrestored rider.Is the kick start original,it looks like it would take a lot of grunt to get the motor running?A little more than my arthritic ankle could manage:puke1.Or is the footrest hinged?

    John
  4. England-Kev

    England-Kev Long timer

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    yes, it folds up out of the way.:clap
  5. England-Kev

    England-Kev Long timer

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    A day off! Hooray :clap

    As I did indeed have a day to myself, I dedicated it to some Norton time, a project that has taken a backseat of late, due mainly to work, and sorting through the Guzzi problems.
    So with a pocketful of ideas, I headed over to Norton central, to put some ideas into action. first on the list was to take some assorted jumble finds, and turn them into an International Clubman tacho assembly, well at least a copy of one.

    Here is the real deal, in situ on a Norton inter clubman...

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    Now the real deals are hard to find, as you can probably imagine, but I picked up a Cafe Racer speedo holder from Kempton for £5-00, a while back, and a Smiths tacho a little later on, I then set to removing the center of the holder so the clock could fit in, I then made the rubber mounting rings. And finally put the whole lot together...

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    While I was there in the workshop I spotted a box with a nice little motor for sale, now I wonder if I need it?
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    yes it is a complete Norton Manx engine...

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    I had also been looking for a short Norton International Clubman rear brake pedal, they are a different shape to the Manx's, or standard ES2 pedals, and are around 5" shorter in length, I had mentioned this to Mick a while back, and he had found me a good well used one, from an old racing bike, so it comes with added patina.

    Lastly I also picked up my 1948 competition engine today, and dropped that into the frame when I got home.

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    I will be stripping the frame down next though, as I have to get some mounts welded on to take the footpegs, I can then start building it up in earnest.:evil
  6. Velocipede

    Velocipede Been here awhile

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    Go on,buy the Manx motor.You know you will kick yourself if you let it go.

    Maybe we could pass the hat around :evil.

    John
  7. R-dubb

    R-dubb Dubbious Adventurer

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    You are a busy boy! Awesome project :clap
  8. England-Kev

    England-Kev Long timer

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    At the weekend I came across something I have not seen before, and have heard no mention of it previously in all my Norton searches.

    I came across an old Norton 30, 500 International,plunger frame model from the late 40's, that had been owned by the same old boy since way back when. But this one was different, the rear suspension had been modified, and on further discussion I was led to believe that this was a Norton "Works" modification?

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    So anybody heard of or have reference to this modification? and do any of you out there have an idea on where I could find these small rams so that I could do this to my project? :evil
  9. ttpete

    ttpete Rectum Non Bustibus

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    It's a primitive damper, probably intended to control wheel hop. You'd probably have to search for a shop that does racing suspensions. The closest thing I've seen are small units used on girder and link type vintage forks. Some are coil-overs, and you might be able to use one without the spring.
  10. Old Mule

    Old Mule Been here awhile

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    This is going to be a very nice machine, I like your approach to building it. Are those Dowty rear units? In the 40s and early 50s there were several proprietary add-on hydraulic damper "kits".
    It does not look factory to me.
  11. aerone

    aerone Been here awhile

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    What would it cost to buy one of these bike ? I was bugging you on the other thread for pictures and now I see a real road going bike. I have the chance to buy one and don't know what to offer. It's rideable bike, not quite as original as the one you posted, almost. Thanks...
  12. England-Kev

    England-Kev Long timer

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    I don't know if any of you are still following this thread, but in case you are, here is an update...

    I collected my rebuilt front wheel today, the hub is a little too glossy, but I hope it will dull down a little as it ages, it now also has a Norton brake plate that has been machined to fit, and some different bearings to match up the Triumph hub to the Norton spindle.

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    The brake plate still needs some work, it needs to be painted satin black, and an air scoop needs to be added, also the rim is not sitting centrally in the forks, so I shall have to get that adjusted, but these are small things, with some tubes and tyres I should have a rolling chassis by the end of the month.

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  13. Zebedee

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  14. disston

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    I'm still here. You betcha. :clap
  15. Old Mule

    Old Mule Been here awhile

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    I'm followin it too, I like your approach to what an English Special should be like.
  16. bk brkr baker

    bk brkr baker Long timer

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    When Stu Rogers came to the USA to race someone elses plunger Norton he added aftermarket steering dampners to the rear suspension for some control.
    I asked him about it and he said something like, "Without them the bloody thing is all over the place. " He seemed to prefer the stability of a rigid to the , Now what ? of the plungers.
  17. Velocipede

    Velocipede Been here awhile

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    Fear not Kev,I'm sure that there are many more than I who look forward to your posts and pictures.I really enjoy your pics of swap meets,old bikes at your mates workshops et al.Please keep on with what you do. :clap
    John
  18. c1skout

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    How about the shock absorber from an air seat, like a Bostrom from a big truck (lorrie, I guess your trucks have air seats over there) like this [​IMG]
  19. England-Kev

    England-Kev Long timer

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    Thanks for that, I shall look into the truck seat idea....:clap
  20. England-Kev

    England-Kev Long timer

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    Air scoops come in all shapes and sizes, some functional, some not, some have a little style, and some well let's not mention those.

    Ok then, now I have my front wheel built around the Triumph hub, it was time to think about getting a Norton brake plate to fit, some people will go down the Triumph/BSA conical hub TLS setup, these look great when done correctly, and give good braking with the twin leading shoe. Others will use the earlier Triumph TLS, these again look great, when done right, but I wanted "Old Style" so have gone for a SLS shoe Norton plate, Style over function I guess some would say. But single leading shoe brakes are great if set up correctly, and if you ride within their limitations.

    The standard Norton plate needs a little machining to match up to the conical hub, but it is nothing too technical.

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    The next thing was to decide what type of scoop I wanted, time to hit the pictures...

    I have often looked at this bike as a source of inspiration for the direction of my bike, and love the black hub with polished air scoop.

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    and of course my friend Mick's Inter

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    Then you have something like this?

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    So I set too with a piece of card and some scissors, and came up with a suitable design..

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    Time to get out the shears as I transfer the plan to metal.

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    half an hour later and this was the result..

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    Not too shabby if I say so myself, it now needs a good buff up on the polish wheel, and my brake plate needs drilling and turning black.

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