Indy 2013

Discussion in 'Sports' started by linkweewee, May 25, 2013.

  1. linkweewee

    linkweewee tantum quantum

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2007
    Oddometer:
    14,219
    Location:
    Oregon

    For the mysterious final laps (wink wink nudge nudge) debris on the track? A hotdog wrapper just flew onto the track on lap 198: CAUTION!
    #21
  2. shrineclown

    shrineclown Vaginaterian

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2006
    Oddometer:
    10,458
    Location:
    Bruins Nation
    Good to see TK get the win after so many close and sometimes just plain depressing attempts! Could not have been won by a happier guy. Got Milk? Do now.

    Uh, hot dog wrapper? Franchitti hit the wall...nothing new to see here that is how it has always been, it is not NASCAR. GWC crashfests are too dangerous in an open cockpit car. He scored the restart and earned the win.
    #22
  3. Carlo Muro

    Carlo Muro SupercĂ zzola

    Joined:
    May 2, 2008
    Oddometer:
    2,233
    Location:
    Mediocristan
    i was really hoping that local boy Ed Carpenter would pull it off. I'm still not sure what happened. I thought his dropping back was due to strategy. It was either poor strategy or his car just couldn't stay up front.
    #23
  4. Jurgen

    Jurgen Trolljegeren Super Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2004
    Oddometer:
    43,323
    Location:
    Sandoval, Nuevo Mexico
    That is not the solution. I don't know what is, by G-W-Checkered sucks big time. As another poster said, let's NASCAR call a bs yellow rather than just having the best car run away with it. Contrived.
    #24
  5. shrineclown

    shrineclown Vaginaterian

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2006
    Oddometer:
    10,458
    Location:
    Bruins Nation
    The reason the Indy Cars spin is they are going faster centrifugally versus direction changes and slow and fast sections per F1. The engineers try to balance the downforce to maximize speed, that is, they take some away that they would be using on a road course for less resistance (faster) and better mpg. Indy is pretty flat as racetracks go and sometimes they take too much out. Variables change and you end up where you wish you were not.

    The best car did win...he took them all on the restart and held it. You could stop the field...some cars would be better on the cooler tires than others and would win. Would the best car win? In that situation, yes it most likely would have if that was a known procedure in advance of the start of racing. Is it fair to the guys who prepared to run the final laps with full temp tires? They would emphatically say, no. It is not the first Indy to end under caution nor will it be the last.

    The fastest car does not always win. It is a team sport and there are numerous factors that play into being the lead car at the checkered flag. The team who is prepared for the contingencies of the day is the best car and deserves to win. I really don't see there is an issue in that. There was an exciting three wide restart for the win. No one had TK covered when you know there is a chance of cars coming together on a restart and throwing the race into caution again. It was well played.
    #25
  6. wxwax

    wxwax Excited Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2001
    Oddometer:
    81,960
    Location:
    Atlanta, GA
    The fastest car did not win the Indy 500.

    There was no fastest car. There was only a car with the lead when the race was called.

    The new formula for IndyCar produced a pack of interchangeable cars at the front. A lap more and the 2nd, 3rd or 4th placed car might well have won. They were all swapping the lead all day long, and there's no reason to think that wouldn't have continued for the last 6 laps or whatever remained when Franchitti lost it.

    Personally, I didn't care for it. I like open wheel and I watch every IndyCar race. This is the first time I can remember the series having a race like this, where perhaps a third of the field was in touch with the lead and there was no best car to be found.

    The force acting on a car when it turns a corner is called centripetal. It affects every car that takes a turn, even on a road course. Plenty of cars spin in F1.
    #26
  7. shrineclown

    shrineclown Vaginaterian

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2006
    Oddometer:
    10,458
    Location:
    Bruins Nation
    #27
  8. wxwax

    wxwax Excited Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2001
    Oddometer:
    81,960
    Location:
    Atlanta, GA
    I agree, no time for cleanup.

    68 lead changes. No fastest car. Just one car in the right place at the right time. Lucky Tony.
    #28
  9. Veteran Noob

    Veteran Noob Astoundingly Unremarkable

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2012
    Oddometer:
    428
    Wrong. Cetrifugal fiorce is a fictiticious force. Centripetal force is a force required to maintain circular motion. Loss of centripetal force (in your example, the string breaks) and the object continues in a straight line; it doesn't "flee" the center. What is commonly called centrigal force is in reality, inertia.

    A car "spins' (really a rotation about a vertical axis) because of a differential in the relative centripetal force between the front and rear of the vehicle (call it an increase or reduction in "grip"). The magnitude of the differential and the elapsed time for the differential to occur will determine how violent the spin.
    #29
  10. shrineclown

    shrineclown Vaginaterian

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2006
    Oddometer:
    10,458
    Location:
    Bruins Nation
    Wrong, centrifugal force, per newton, is the opposite reaction from centripetal force. As he described it. Unless of course, you are smarter than Newton. Which may be possible. But I will stick with Newton's laws for now.
    #30
  11. Veteran Noob

    Veteran Noob Astoundingly Unremarkable

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2012
    Oddometer:
    428

    I'm not sure if I am smarter than Sir Isaac, but I have the benefit of an education built on more than 350yrs of additional discovery based on empirical method than he had. Newton, along with Leibniz, Hooke and Huygens (who first coined the term) was wrong in this regard. This is freshman mechanics. As taught in every remotely reputeable university physics course (and high school as I recall) centrifugal force is ficticious. The concept of centrifugal force was based on intuitive perception of curvilinear motion.

    By the way, if, by Newton's laws, you mean Sir Isaac Newton's three laws of motion, you're absolutely right standing by them, but none of them identify, nor support the concept of "centrifugal force".
    #31
  12. Tripped1

    Tripped1 Likely Lost.

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2009
    Oddometer:
    8,223
    Location:
    Nippon

    Its a created or fictitious force, centripetal is the opposing for force to an object moving in an arc for whatever reason, string, tire track, camber force, whatever.

    Both move from the axis, and the centripetal force won't cause the car to spin, it trying to pull the car off whatever line it is on.
    #32
  13. wxwax

    wxwax Excited Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2001
    Oddometer:
    81,960
    Location:
    Atlanta, GA
    .
    #33
  14. linkweewee

    linkweewee tantum quantum

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2007
    Oddometer:
    14,219
    Location:
    Oregon
    half the stands are empty on what looks to be a beautiful day/road course in Detroit today
    #34
  15. wxwax

    wxwax Excited Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2001
    Oddometer:
    81,960
    Location:
    Atlanta, GA
    Two day event, first day won by a guy who won't race ovals. I thought Sunday's race was pretty good.
    #35
  16. wannaklr

    wannaklr Long timer

    Joined:
    May 25, 2006
    Oddometer:
    7,606
    Location:
    Back In Iowa. Quad Cities to be exactish..
    Guess flying into the catch fencing twice was enough for him. Can't say I blame him though. Scary crashes
    #36
  17. wxwax

    wxwax Excited Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2001
    Oddometer:
    81,960
    Location:
    Atlanta, GA
    Oh yeah, I don't blame him at all. A completely foreign form of racing and he almost dies twice. Time to take a hint. He's doing the right thing.
    #37