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Discussion in 'Racing' started by shrineclown, Nov 11, 2011.
I wish they hadn't cut Lindy Thackston. I thought she was pretty good.
here's a pretty good tech-talk regarding the turbo set-ups.
edit: that's not as helpful as i was thinking.
I recall reading that the single turbo (better top end HP) would be a benefit at Indy, whereas the twin turbo (better torque) should excell at the road courses.
that sounds about right. i can't seem to find a ton of detail on the setups.
looks like newgarden saw the red mist. briefly. would have been a brilliant pass.
there's that aggression we've been missing.
Well, they ended the race the way I thought they might run it: hairpin blocked by wipeouts.
It's indecent how much better the Chevy is. Amazing that Will power could make his last pit stop before Sato, and yet it was Sato who had to save fuel. Something's up with that.
Pretty decent action for a road course.
I think Andretti was at fault in his wreck. Even before Rahal said it, I thought his abrupt shift was the result of Andretti hitting him in the rear. I'd slo-mo'd it on my DVR several times. Personally, I'm not a fan of Andretti. I think he's a bit of a brat.
Despite all the slow bulging ugliness crapwagon 2 still wants to fly?
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I thought that too, I couldn't figure how the announcers were missing that.
I see it a bit differently. As the commentators said, Rahal reacted to the passing attempt by Andretti by moving his car to the right, when the circumstances should have had him keeping his line, or even moving more to his left for the upcoming corner and the braking zone. This movement caught Andretti out , as it was not a "normal" racing move, imho.
FWIW, I have slept in many Holiday Inn Expresses and have raced SCCA.
I agree there was an initial move to the right. Perfectly legal to make one move to defend his position, as far as I know. The bit we're talking about, I believe, is his abrupt second move to the right. That was caused by Andretti running into him, in my opinion.
Looked to me like Andretti simply made a very aggressive move with no margin for error. When Rahal jinked slightly right (for whatever reason - he says he was reacting to something in front of him), Marco was hung out to dry. Racing incident in my book.
Andretti's behavior afterwards was the usually PO'd race driver who thinks everybody else is always at fault when there is typically plenty of blame to spread around. Somewhat bratish, but not unusual.
i watched it about a half dozen times on the dvr, but i don't have that single-frame-by-single-frame granularity, so i really just ended up slightly more confused than when i started. depending on where i started, it looked like one or the other.
chevy clearly has honda and lotus by the balls. power had those laps where he overtook and pulled away, then settled in, then lit it up again. lotus i can see being that far back, but honda has seemingly misjudged this pretty badly.
sato should have been on the podium.
and kanaan's run was just fabulous.
I also can't make up my mind. Was his move a block, or did he move to the inside because he was closing on the Target car?
I do agree with Sid, Marco is kinda whiny. I'm a big fan of his dad, and his grandfather is arguably the best driver ever. I was hoping that he'd be farther along than he is at this point.
30 minutes prior to the race, they had a special on GR and his weekend at Barber. As expected, he came off as a classy guy, just like his dad.
On a side note, I really wanted to go back to the race in Texas this year. But, I'm working at an auction in Tulsa that weekend.
i was an andretti fan in a penske family.
my dad's favorite words were "and mario is slowing down!"
marco definitely has not earned the right to be such a dick. i like his potential, but he's not done much with it. andretti racing (in it's various forms) has been disappointing in general. too many egos, too many cars. no wonder tk bailed.
graham seems like a good kid too, and has been similar to marco in his performance. just less bitchy.
(whoever gave this to my dad must have been a real asshole. it's mine now.)
Yeah, I'm really surprised. I don't believe they built an oval engine for a series that's mostly street and road courses, that wouldn't make sense. I guess the only other explanation is that they devoted fewer resources to the project than did Chevy? I mean, if the issue is the turbos, how could they have misjudged the substantial advantage of Chevy's solution?
There is no way Sato shouldn't have won that race.
Also, what the heck's going on with Franchitti? He had the lead on restarts at least twice and promptly dropped back, even against other Hondas. Another mystery.
Might just be that Honda is putting more value on a potential Indy win than on a bunch of road course wins or a championship.
That settles that. Rahal given a 6-race probation for dangerous driving. Must mean they decided the second move to the right was deliberate.
It looked like a late block to me and when you do that, sometimes you get hit. And when he did get hit in the right rear, it makes the car go left, not right.
given the emphasis on road and street courses this season, that seems short-sighted to me. plausible though. honda keeps their win streak alive at the biggest event of the year... i'm sure they're hoping they can find some more grunt.
that's the we-had-to-do-something punishment. i'm sure they had better video than i did. i could have convinced myself either way, depending on how fast my thumb was. (and it's not very fast.)
the twitter war was kind of goofy, but a rivalry between the young guns might pull in some more viewers.
that's something i kept thinking about and i can see a scenario going either way, depending on which way the fronts were pointed, where the cars touched, and the closing speed of marco.
as it stands, at normal speed it looks like graham went for the block.
I think the incident between andretti and rahal was questionalble and should remain a no fault situation. And....AND I've watched this race twice and can't figure out how Sato ends up out of the podium when he was crashed due to the stupidity of another driver who got a penalty!? No one is ever going to move out of your way in a battle for position to give you a line! Why would you think that was going to happen? Make the pass on your own merit or keep your position for points. Just don't be a bitch when it's time to pay dues for being a spode.
Good racing - Ugly cars.