Intercontinental Rally 2012

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  1. tehdutchie

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  2. Weekend Hack

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    For those that have participated in and completed this rally I have a few questions.

    I was wondering how easy and cost of hiring race support and an estimated cost for average service. It seams like riders from an area put together a team and hire support trucks, as I am American it will be extremely difficult if not impossible to put together such an effort. I looks like the IR website recommends VYPE as a service provider, has anyone used them and how what can I expect?

    This is perhaps more for the race management but will they have this rally if the Dakar Rally returns to Africa? I don't want to put a ton of effort into setting up a campaign if the race is going to fold.

    I understand that there are race and adventure divisions so my riding ability would not limit my entry but I am wondering how competitive the race division is? I see from previous posts in this thread that others have entered GS1200ADV in the race division so their must be a broad range of bikes.

    I am sorry if this seams like a lot of questions but its a big undertaking. I am sure there are more things i am not thinking of so If anyone has any anything they would like to share about their experiences I would enjoy hearing about it.
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  3. Ferrys

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    This will be the second edition. It will be difficult for anyone to answer your questions.
    But, according to my experience, you have to think the other way around. When we started the preparation for the rally, the biggest problem was getting people's commitment. Many people may be interested, but few will go ahead.
    Therefore, if you contact any of the teams at an early stage, and give your commitment, you will have a good start point.

    Of course nobody knows what the future will bring, but nobody sees the Dakar comming back to Africa in the short term. Furthermore, the dates are different and I believe the idea behind the rally is also different.

    Even not a Dakar rally here, Africa is competitive. Doesn't matter how you look at it. It will take its toll. Everybody is different and have a different goal. I think the goal of all competitors is arriving at the Lake rose. We have many kms per day in hostile environments.

    The choice of bike, is also very personal. My experience with big twins is they are good for the road and that's it.
    In our team we have 3 WR450, 1 EXC530 and 1 DRZ. In Africa roads can have nasty surprises so you should stick to a sensible speed. On the track, depends on the rider's ability of course, but an enduro machine will do well in the rocks and sand and a big twin..................

    Don't forget to contact the organization. They will be able to help you. They are very communicative. I also think that the rally will grow in the comming years making a more appealing route. More Mauritania (???)
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  4. BajaRat

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  5. Gian

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    A little bit off topic, but you could always check out the Heroes Legend Rally, it's been running a few years now and has a very good feel to it, everyone I know that has raced it [including some very well known Dakar veterans] says it's how the Dakar used to be. And how a rally should be. Its a very popular race with many options on bike hire and support.

    Alot of my friends have raced it and there are now 2 options, regularity or racing, which opens it up to more of a wider audience.. just something else to consider.

    There are many service teams around Europe, but the 2 best ones to my knowledge are Desert Rose Racing [UK] & Memotours [Holland], both can supply bikes etc and do full spanner service.
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  7. Gian

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    I've just read on fB that our friend WRichter had some mechanical problems and had to stop:wink:
    While PtitMaurice is still struggling on his beast , can't wait for their tales!

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    1200GS! Thats tremendous. Good for him. Crazy nut.
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  9. Statdawg

    Statdawg Do U feel lucky ?

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    What an accomplishment.

    He is known in the EU for many GS Challenge podiums. Germany, France, Belgium, Touratech Hq event to name a few.
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  10. Ferrys

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    Big respect for Vincent. Incredible how he could hadle that beast in those conditions. But the most important he was always with a big smile on his face. We just arrived home, but they decided to come back on theroad. They must be still in southern Morocco. We felt sorry about the tent, hopefully something was arranged. You are the big winner
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  11. Gian

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    hello ferrys, I've realized just now you should be the Jose with the DRZ400!? I have tons of questions to ask you:evil!!
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  12. Ferrys

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    I think that's me.
    Here last sunday in Dakar beach. A nice feeling.
    If I can be of any help, let me know.
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  13. Gian

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    Nice photo, hope you can post some more!

    PS: sent you a PM, thanks!
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  14. Ferrys

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    I will reply here so everyone can have the info.

    The DRZ has an Arcebis tank. Not sure but about 17 l. It's old and inflated. I had installed a rear tank, but got so many problems that I stopped in the middle of nowhere, took it out and gave it to a local. From that moment I had no problems anymore. For a few stages (liasons) I had 2 water bottles of 1,5l, just in case. I had no range issues.
    The DRZ is standard with steering stabilizer and suited for my size. A rear rack and the normal bits (case covers). Since the original radiators were no that good anymore I installed an after markt oversized radiators. I also installed a temperature gauge. The only moment the motor got over heated was in Nouakchott and Dakar city..................

    The rally, fully recommended. The organization is growing but it is unbeatable. For what you pay, unbelieveable. They really try hard and Jiri Vasakto, the organizer is a hero for all of us. The only thing I would change is the scoring method, vey confusing. Not a problem for me because I was not in the fight. I would also like to see Jiri in a more proactive role. He is a nice man. He needs to understand those 2 weeks he has to be "le patron", doesn't need to be nice. We will follow you Jiri.

    My adivice to you and anyone is do it. Don't make plans for the future. There will be a 2013 edition. But all this is possible to one person. One person that puts lots of time and money, yes his own money, to make this happens. And to a team of volunteers. Once they get tired, that's it.
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  15. Gian

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    Thanks Ferrys, is your DRZ an E or S? I own an E and offroad I don't I could (safely) get more than 200 km with my 16 litres IMS tank:evil I would also love to see a photo with the stabylizer and the instrumentation :)

    As I wrote you, it's my dream but of course I can't do it alone. There is an assistance team that could be interested here in Italy, but it looks they are already booking for the next Africa Race, which is really far from my budget. In a previous message you stated your budget around 5000 euros, do you think you have remained within this amount? Another question regarding the "adventure" motorbikes: was the road the same as yours? I mean I saw photos of 1200GS, LC8 and I don't think is really possible to do all those tracks with those kind of bikes unless you are a VERY VERY GOOD rider. And the dream would be to bring my Africa Twin there, (the DRZ would be a second option), but if the roads are exactly the same as the race ones, I don't think that will be possible for me.

    thanks again!
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  16. Ferrys

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    I have some pictures somewhere. I will look for it. The bike is in the container...............

    The budget is a very tricky question. Depends on many factors. The miniminum you have to think of is the entry fee, the insurances/visas, etc., the flight back from Dakar (about 400€), tyres (you will do with 1 desert front and 2 desert rear, with the mousses about 500€). There you will need another 1.500€ for expenses. Of course some spares and consumables (oil, filters, etc). Next to that the container and someone to bring your stuff.
    That's the minimum. If you want a mechanic, etc., you will need more money.

    This year we went with a good infrastructure, if next year I go, it will be cheaper, therefore in a more moderate way. But we are just landing so I don't want to think about it.
    The organization, as I said is growing, and I think they will have to provide more services. For instance, it does not make sense to have all teams loading containers individually. The organization should provide a big container were we could load all the bikes and ship to europe. Costs would be very convenient for everybody.
    It would be also be very convenient to provide a "Malle" option, like in Dakar, were the organization brings 2 boxes and 2 tyres for you. Of course, the entry fee would increase, but it will be still a low budget, cheaper and very flexible for people.

    About the adventure class, I can figure out that it will dissapear. It does not make sense to have 2 routes. The organization has to cover 2 routes, wasting resources. This year there were problems...... I would also never join that class since they start up after the cars. A pain in mountain sections. Much better to join the race and take it easy, like me.
    The route is not suitable for big twins. Vincent is one of a kind and 25 years old, but I saw him struggling in the sand. It does not make sense. There were other guys with big KTM's. But they are also big guys. Size matters. Again, I did not see them in sand or rocky sections, but in fast sections they were in fron t of me. The route is not very technical, but let's say that 10% is there. Perhaps Vincent can answer you.

    About your DRZ, my model is an "E", 2007. Never gave me a problem in many years. The best bike I could dream off. But it will never go back to Dakar. Next one will be with a Honda or Yamaha. Those suspensions, that power, that weight.
    My advice to you is not to undestimate this rally. It's not Dakar (and it should not be) but is a tough one.My friend and winner of this edition is an experience Dakar rider. He has budget for next year's Dakar, but has decided to do the IR2013 because he had lots of fun. He said this can be compared to a Tuinisian rally, with more days. He did not prepare this rally as a Dakar, but he is always fit and he was exhausted at the end. Africa is Africa.

    A nice photo,
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  17. Gian

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    Jose, I have been three times in North African deserts tours: Marocco with a Dominator, Libia with DRZ and Tunisia with Africa Twin, so I know on my expenses there are tricks and dangers everywhere (and they were tours not races), so I will never underextimate anything down there!

    I hoped the ICR "adventure" route was a good mix of asphalt and easy offroad tracks, because I really want to go to Dakar but not completely on asphalt, would be too boring even for my Africa Twin:D

    On the other side my DRZ is a bit seasoned, maybe too much for 2 weeks and 5000 km of hard tracks, so maybe I'll look around for a tour operator that could bring us to the Lac Rose with the right mix of relax, fine landscapes and a bit of adventure. Many thanks again!
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  18. Ferrys

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    1st of March the inscription will open for the 2013 edition. Hold on to that moment to make a decision.
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  19. max medic

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    Me and the wife are interested in taking part in the ICR, I took part in the Tuareg rallly last year on my WR450, my wife now wants to join in on the rally fun :D So it looks like the WR will being going to make way for a 4x4.

    How much sand and dune work is there? how technical are the trails ? just tring to get a bit of info on the rally route to workout if i could do it in a standard 4x4 or if I will need to rally convert one, not intrested in compeating for a good result, would just be looking to get there.

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  20. Ferrys

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    Not an expert here, but I think one of the problems with 4wd is weight. Mostly they go overweigthed. I think a standard 4wd, a real one or a pick up, can do it with minimum preparation. Protections and suspensions. Of course, it depends on your goals. The faster you go, the more you will brake.
    In Mauritania we met a local, good friend of a few members of the spanish team. He has a Toyota pick up. He overtook all racing cars in a beach section. While all the others were jumping around, he was driving smoothly throug the sand. His car is standard and he is very experienced.
    Track is standard Morocco. Lots of sand in the south and in Mauritania. Senegal, the same. Lots of stones in northern Morocco. Adapt your speed to the conditions and will be fine.
    Again, not an expert.
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