Interphone F5 - rider to rider Comms

Discussion in 'Equipment' started by DakarMoto, Jan 22, 2012.

  1. maalstroom

    maalstroom Ferret Legger

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    Is there any brand that is compatible with another?
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  2. kfsinc

    kfsinc Chaingolian Observer

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    From what I've seen, NO. IMHO, this is a major limitation to the growth of these things. Just think -- your Verizon phone can't connect with your ATT phone -- WTF??

    I know -- use the phone function -- kind of defeats the purpose. And the bluetooth adapters for two-way radios that Sena and some others offer are a poor (and expensive) solution.

    Manufacturers, if you're listening -- make this happen -- for everyone's benefit!
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  3. cyclebot

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    here is a video of the FM in use. it is something i actually use while riding now. with the cardo units in the past scala rider fm and g4, i never used the FM because it was such a pain. with text to speech on the F5 it becomes really easy to use and i was additionally impressed with the sound quality of the radio.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBaw-ChTKEk

    http://cyclebots.com/bluetooth-helmet-headsets/interphone.html
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  4. cyclebot

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  5. cyclebot

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    you cannot connect via bluetooth intercom, you can call him and connect via cellphone.
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  6. V@lentino

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    I sent an email to their customer service dept asking the following:

    1) I have an older GPS (Zumo 550) using bluetooth 2.0, is the F5 compatible with previous bluetooth 2.0.

    2) I did read the FAQ re. music, but would like clarification.

    First, is it possible using a wired mp3 player such as Ipod by connecting it to 2 F5s using a Y splitter on the same bike so that both rider and pillion can listen to the same music in stereo at the same time?

    Second, is it possible using a bluetooth mp3 player such as Itouch or Iphone and pair it with 2 F5s on the same bike so that both rider and pillion can listen to the same music in stereo at the same time?

    I will report when I hear back.

    Also I wonder about charging the units; assuming you are camping after a full day of riding with music and conversation. If opting to charge two units using the bike's battery (assuming relatively normal temps for camping). Is their a chance that you would drain the battery to a point that you might not be able to start the bike.

    GSA with Odyssey PC 625 battery.

    Thanks
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  7. V@lentino

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    Well if anything the company is quickly gaining my trust, I sent an email late last night and had a reply sitting in my inbox this morning.

    Here were my original questions:

    1) I have an older GPS (Zumo 550) using bluetooth 2.0, is the F5 compatible with previous bluetooth 2.0.

    2) I did read the FAQ re. music, but would like clarification.

    First, is it possible using a wired mp3 player such as Ipod by connecting it to 2 F5s using a Y splitter on the same bike so that both rider and pillion can listen to the same music in stereo at the same time?

    Second, is it possible using a bluetooth mp3 player such as Itouch or Iphone and pair it with 2 F5s on the same bike so that both rider and pillion can listen to the same music in stereo at the same time?

    Reply came in as

    Interphone is releasing a transmitting Bluetooth adapter in June that will be the first product available that will stream stereo music to two Bluetooth headsets simultaneously. Currently there are no other products on the market that will do this, so that would be your only solution if you are looking to share an audio source via Bluetooth.

    The F5 will pair and work well with the Zumo 550 which is actually using a Bluetooth 1.1 chip, and should only be used for phone or nav instructions, since the music streaming sounds terrible.

    Interphone USA
    Customer Service
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    (800) 775-4271

    Email:
    info@interphoneusa.com

    Indeed very helpful. To which I sent another question:

    I am likely to wait until the adapter is available on the market before getting the kit. As a follow up question, can you please tell me what this adaptor will look like in terms of size, how about functionality, does it need to be wired to either headset or the MP3 player, is it any different then some of the Bluetooth iPod transmitter that currently exist on the market such as the Kokkia i10s, Jaybird, Sony... Does it matter if such an adaptor type is/is not AD2P, in regards to sound output quality for the F5?

    Would I still need a dedicated blue tooth adapter for the ipod (such as the ones above), or would your adaptor actually do the trick. How about charging requirements, will it have batteries or take its charge from the device it is plugged in.

    re-reading the answer from the company, it would seem that the current BT adapters on the market can only be paired with one headset at a time and what the F5 adaptor will do is allow for simultaneous pairing of 2 headsets to the same mp3 players, that is what I am unsure of...

    Will report back when I hear more from the company, but so far reviews and company correspondence sounds very promising.
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  8. V@lentino

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    Yup I think I'm sold,

    their last reply was:

    Here is a spec sheet.

    This adapter has two channels for A2DP transmission, the others only have
    one. A2DP is the best method for listening to stereo music via Bluetooth.
    And it uses a built in rechargeable lithium ion battery.

    They sent me the actual spec sheet in pdf, I have to figure a way to change it to jpg and I will post it here. When I do it now it loses to much resolution and size.
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  9. tmotten

    tmotten Lefthand ride Dutchy

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    Jeez I wish they made an adapter to allow for earbuds.
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  10. Albie

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    After working on mine for the last 2 days I have to agree. It's pretty much useless with ear plugs in. I can't hear my GPS at all, I can barely hear FM music and can't understand any voice transmission.
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  11. V@lentino

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    Can you expand a bit on this re. volume adjustment and such??
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  12. Albie

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    The F5 allows you to adjust the volume for each device. Got the volume cranked to max for the phone (which is actually the ZUMO paired to a phone), and FM radio. Using a XD-3 helmet with the speakers lined up with my ears and almost touching. I use 28 db ear plugs and as I said before, I can't hear the voice directions coming from the GPS. I can barely hear the music from the FM radio, and any talking is unintelligible.
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  13. V@lentino

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    Yikes,

    I just looked at the plugs I use, and they are rated 33 db, maybe time to get something in the 15 to 20 db range. The choice is never simple is it?
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  14. twistedthrottle

    twistedthrottle Been here awhile

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    Try increasing your bluetooth volume on both the Zumo and the phone. When you piggy back the (Zumo) bluetooth through one unit (phone) to the F5 you will lose volume. The farther from the source, the lower the magnitude of the sound. If you have a 3.5mm jack on the Zumo it is possible to plug the GPS into the back of the F5 with the included cable. I realize this is not the optimum solution but it is more direct and should increase the volume.

    Like this:
    [​IMG]


    Keep in mind too - the XD-3 is a very "open" helmet and is not the quietest helmet on the market.

    Best of luck.

    Kevin
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  15. twistedthrottle

    twistedthrottle Been here awhile

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    No brand of communicator will connect to another brand of communicator. The Interphone units will work across generations and with the Blue Ant headsets as well.

    Kev
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  16. Albie

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    Played around with it some more today. Last night I actually shoved the speakers into the cheek pads :lol3 Well it works a lot better that way. Guess I have a seriously mishaped head. :lol3 I pretty much have to crank it to max volume. I'll try connecting the Zumo via the aux port and see how that works. Doesn't really bother me that much to have the cable.

    On the Zumo, how do you control the bluetooth volume? Under the volume icon I've got both Nav and MP3/audio set to 100%. If I try adjusting the volume like I would with earbuds connected to the cradle I just get this icon flash on the screen of a headset which I'm assuming means you have to use the headset to adjust the volume.

    Thanks for the input.
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  17. twistedthrottle

    twistedthrottle Been here awhile

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    I just grabbed a Zumo 550 and came to the same result as you. There are 2 volumes. Let us know how your straight jacked input works out.

    Kevin
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  18. RocketMoto

    RocketMoto 2 Many Motersikles

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    Just an FYI - Interphone isn't the *only* dual stream BT adapter. Sena has just introduced one, the SM10, and we'll have them in stock, next Tuesday.

    We are Interphone dealers, as well. Just trying to decide whether we will stock their products. We are testing the F5, now.
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  19. V@lentino

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    Thanks RocketMoto,

    Are you able to test the Sena SMH10 against the F5 especially as it applies to the BTspliter and the sound quality/volume. The SMH10 is but a year old and is mentioned in WebBikeworld as having an especially good speaker set.

    There is also a detail video on Revzilla about pairing SMH10-Zuno550-MP3-Phone
    http://www.revzilla.com/search?query=sena+smh10

    I just realized that I could not post the pdf because the attachment options are disabled, and I can't find the product on their website.
    http://www.cellularline.com/en/hp_en.html

    Hopefully you can report back on this thread.

    Thanks
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  20. Beemerhead

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    My experience is exactly the same. I am using a Shoei RF1000 helmet with the speakers properly and tightly aligned against my ears. Very loud without ear plugs and basically unusable with the earplugs (and I always wear them). I wonder how Sena's volume is compared to F5's. The original Interphone had the maximal volume mode, which is activated when you turn it on while holding the volume-up button. This trick does not seem to work with F5. I am just so frustrated after cashing out so much money for the twin-pack. I purchased it based the Webbikeworld review which praised the loud volume WITH the earplugs, which is just not true- not even close.
    I wonder if I could potentially connect my earplug headphones (Etymotic ER6i) to the F5 instead of the speakers, and enjoy the pure and loud sound in full noise isolation which I have enjoyed for years listening to the satellite radio and voice directions.
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