Introducing the Northern New England Adventure Trail

Discussion in 'GPS Tracks - Northeast, Southeast & Florida' started by Canuman, Mar 3, 2012.

  1. Canuman

    Canuman Crusty & Unobliging

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    Legal Disclaimer: as BMWLKR has indicated, some portions of the current route are gray or even illegal on motorcycle. Most are not. I've made an effort to avoid those that are. I've ridden to and stopped at plenty of gates. I'm certain my routes through Vermont and New Hampshire are solid and rideable. They also go through some very interesting country. Nice views. Ponds. Sunsets.

    I've been on the Lincoln Pond Road and the Tim Pond road many times. Both are quite frankly boring as Hell, even when hugely washed out. Many of Maine's "resource roads" tend this way. These roads were cut with one purpose: to bring timber to the mills. Aesthetics were far down the list. Trees, trees, gravel pit, patch of "rough", washout, you get the picture.

    An occasional camp breaks the monotony.

    Maine has some utterly spectacular scenery, and much of it is paved. The brief for this post was to find a way on gravel.
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  2. Hulked Up

    Hulked Up Been here awhile

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    Even if some of the sections in Maine are not legal, this is still one hell of a resource. Thank you for putting it together. I hope to ride some of it this season. I'm sure the kinks in Maine can be figured out with some reasonable detours and paved sections.
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  3. Canuman

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    I spent much of the day today working on a route through the Eastern Townships of Quebec, which may avoid some of the sketchy sections in Maine. The route is in three segments. If one wishes to reenter the US, it is possible at three points. One leaves the US at Canaan VT/Hereford, QC. The first reentry point is at roughly Chartierville, QC/Third Connecticut Lake, NH. I don't think this is a goer, except for day/short tripping. Although the route is very fine, and the road is spectacular and lonely indeed (when last ridden a year ago or so in November), it doesn't solve the private land issues that BMWKLR mentioned.

    The second leg, follows tightly along the Canada/US border reenters at Woburn, QC/Chain of Ponds, ME. This gives a real possibility of linking up the eastern portions of the NNEAT routes without too much difficulty, while not introducing much pavement. If the weather is good, and the roads moderately dry, I will attempt to verify this section next weekend.

    The last leg is exciting, but I don't know when I will be able to verify it. It will be either boom or bust. One portion points toward Fort Kent, ME (And the other to the Trans Lab and The Rock), with links to the ferry over the St. Lawrence which leads to the TNE and the TCAT.

    I like to do this stuff, but sometimes it ain't fun. There's not much more depressing than taking the bike up a route you hope not to backtrack over, and have to backtrack.
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  4. Canuman

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    Thanks for the support.
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  5. RidingUpAndDown

    RidingUpAndDown Been here awhile

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    Nice Lotta Work Here! So so many can benefit.
    Thnx for doin all this. Hope to cross paths at some point. :beer

    Best regards!

    Cheers, d :ricky
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  6. Pantah

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    Hey thanks. I'll try that route this spring. I have a new bike coming and this would be a good test. I rode some of those Maine roads that the timber companies own. I saw a no-m/c sign too, but I rode to Millenocket anyways.

    I wonder why no bikes? If they let station wagons full of Cub Scouts run them, it can't be anything to do with logging trucks.
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  7. intothenew

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    I don't mean this as a plug, just an FYI.

    TET does terminate in Vanceboro ME now, kinda, sorta. That leg is being released as beta for the moment. Here's an overview.

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    We have a leg across PA running roughly East to West to add, and NorthernTraveler is in the bush working on some changes to TETS now. A TETv2 will be released soon, how soon I just can't answer. But, the betas that comes with v1 gives you the actual track logs, gas, lodging, food, etc. We are basically just short on the documentation.
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  8. Canuman

    Canuman Crusty & Unobliging

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    Here's my most recent route to cut around restricted lands in Maine. Several riders from Quebec have reviewed it, and feel it has promise. There are some areas that charge access fees, but it mostly appears to be open access. If it wasn't snowing today, I was hoping to do the southern portion. That will have to occur next weekend, I think.

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  9. Pantah

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    Sounds like baloney to me. Nobody on a motorcycle is going to run a logging truck off the road. What about the station wagons full of Cub Scouts or the bus loads of school kids?

    Nah, they just enjoy throwing their weight around. :lol3 I mean it's not like Maine is the only place on the continent with logging operations. Loggers know how to drive those rigs and they are everywhere there are forests. I've ridden through many of them. Loggers share the land with motorcyclists everywhere I've been except Maine.

    Those companies up there are poor citizens.
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  10. devo2002

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    Maybe some people want to ride through the woods before a "private" company clears it :dunno
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  11. Canuman

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    Unfortunately, many of the log truck drivers have the attitude that "it's better to be judged by twelve than carried by six." They have to. There are few ways for a working man to get rich in the woods. Everyone in the timber harvesting industry is judged by one measure: output at the mill. It's a dangerous and difficult job, and these guys work their asses off. They are my friends and neighbors, and I respect them.

    There are enough idiots on the road on two and four wheels to keep them awake. Showing the landowners that motorcycles are a safe and sane is the only way that access will become legal.

    I have some personal issues with the organizations that manage both the Maine woods and the Adirondacks. The large holdings in the Daks and the Maine woods read like a who's who of some of the wealthiest people in America. The restrictions to public access go back before there was a United States. A massive portion of the lands are managed as a private preserve for these folk. I've been a guest at the Finch Paper lodge in the Adirondacks, with the thousands of acres of private land surrounding it. It was nice to be invited, but not very egalitarian. Large parcels in Maine are managed by folk ranging from the Sikorsky heirs to the many old-rich people in the North Maine Woods Corporation.

    Timber is a dying industry in New England. The Maine woodlands are slowly being converted to more public forms as the balance sheet goes from profit to loss on logs. However, some of the conversion is going toward foot/restricted access and quasi "Wilderness Areas" as have some large purchases made recently by the Appalachian Mountain Club (aka the "Amalgamated Money Corporation.") of Five Joy Street, Boston. Strangely, the membership list of the old folk at the AMC and North Maine Woods and Seven Islands Land Corp share quite a few members. These groups are generally averse to open public access, except where it helps their balance sheet.

    I sound like a raving loony, I know. I base it on this: my first wife was AMC/Seven Islands/ NMW stock. I have the shirt on that one. I myself worked for Mother AMC for six years.I've been all over that country on air, water, foot, and roads. The only way to get access is to prove that motorcycles are neither a detriment or risk. This could take some lobbying on the local legislature, some jumping and shouting with the AMA, and taking the cause into public forums.

    BMWKLR is correct. In the current situation, private land is just that, and you can get busted for simply being there.

    I know that I am a far smaller risk to the average logging operation than an SUV filled with folk on vacation who haven't seen anything but blacktop since they last took the kids to see Bumpa and Nono at the lake.
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  12. Pantah

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    I understand it. It's the discrimination I don't understand. The excuse they use is baloney. But whatever, their days are numbered anyways. The world is going paperless. :D
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  13. Pantah

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    Canuman - What kind of roads are those in Canada? Is that forest land too? Never been there, but I thought I read somewhere in this site that the terrain changed dramatically north of the border for some reason.

    And also, thanks for your great work. :clap I have a new 690 arriving next week or two. I'll set it up for touring the kinds of paths you are linking together. :D
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  14. Canuman

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    It depends where you are along the route. The unpaved roads in Estrie (the Eastern Townships) tend to be quite high-standard gravel. They are suitable for relatively high speeds. Much of the first part of the route goes through farmlands. While we tend to consider our northern border tenuous for agriculture, it's the best Canada has, and they use it. The small towns tend to be quite civilized and urbane. It's perfect for relaxed touring on a bike that is more road-oriented.

    Compared to Northern New England, the terrain in Estrie is flatter, and less twisty.

    Further north and east, in Chaudiere-Appalaches, things resemble Maine more. Agriculture becomes less important than logging. The terrain is hillier and more broken, and the population density less. (The majority of Canada's population is within 200 miles of the US border.)

    As one gets north of Quebec City, the majority of the population hugs the St. Lawrence. There are some very exciting roads up in the Gaspe, both though remote areas and along the shore. It is a truly world-class destination. The Chic-Choc mountains are a destination for hikers and adventure skiers from around the world.

    Access tends to be better than in the US. It's unlike the North Maine Woods for the simple fact that people actually live there in towns and villages, and have to get in and out, get groceries, and conduct their business. I realize that people do live in the Maine woods, but the numbers are smaller and the reasons different.
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  15. Pantah

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    Hey thanks on that. Very helpful. In the northeast we have to share a lot more than those lucky bastids in the southwest. We have great potential, though. Just need more area to explore....like northern Maine. :D
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    I suspect this has a lot to do with the reception riders get.

    Effing shame.
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  17. TowPro

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    Don't forget the Trans PA Trail
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  18. Hich76

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    Hi new here, how does one get the Trans PA Trail - GPS Track. Is that part of the TAT tracks?

    Would like to give this a try, since a live on Long Island...thanks....hich
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    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=594569

    I have ridden from Frenchtown NJ to Empurium PA. (2.5 days)
    This spring I will finish proof riding the Emporium to Michaux state forest section. (another 2.5 days)
    (there is something I need to fix just below Emporium)
    Michaux is where you can pickup the Trans WV trail and continue south.
    I am just waiting until it stays above freezing before I can move my RV to my base camp.

    There is also a crew looking at test riding a section from Hancock NY to Wellsboro pa (alt day 1 route) that will bypass the Trans NJ trail.

    Also there is a crew in Michaux that has like 800 miles of Adventure routes laid out, and they are finishing proof riding them this spring. I hope to include all there tracks into the Trans PA Trail Zip file.
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  20. devo2002

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    Hi Canu, for the route you made on days 2 and 3, what would you say the dirt/pavement % is?

    And from the Boyce cemetary/mud pond area up north, the route is parallel to the powerlines. Can I assume the lines are impassable in that area?

    I only got one week this year and I'm gonna try to do as much dirt as possible.

    Edit: nevermind, I was viewing in google maps, when open with earth it doesn't snap to roads and the route here is indeed the power lines.
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