Inviting Criticism

Discussion in 'Face Plant' started by rpeter, Oct 2, 2013.

  1. rpeter

    rpeter Been here awhile

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    No, at night it is very easy to see the blinking amber reflection in the lower corner of the video when my indicator is on, even under decent lighting.
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  2. advNZer?

    advNZer? Long timer

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    ahh i just watched the video again i though that you were wanting to turn right too but now i see you were wanting to go straight through.
    It seems to me you were slow to react to his turning.Its easy to be superior in hindsight tho
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  3. yourdrunkdad

    yourdrunkdad I just wanna ride!!

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    STFU, U NAZI


    This
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  4. JOKER650

    JOKER650 Long timer

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    Well.....
    It was totally his fault..BUT
    I actually thought u were making a RH turn at first :lol3

    Glad ur ok:freaky
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  5. rpeter

    rpeter Been here awhile

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    I can understand why it looks that way. The street doesn't go through that intersection in a straight line. In the direction that I am traveling, the other side of the street is offset to the right and then angles off to the right as well.
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  6. twinrider

    twinrider pass the catnip

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    If I planned to exercise my right of way and I suspected that the taxi driver might try to make a quick turn I would have warned him by hitting my high beams as the light turned green. Did he at least offer to pay for any damage?
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  7. rpeter

    rpeter Been here awhile

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    Just a couple of other misunderstandings that I've seen voiced here. The taxi across the street is not in a turn lane. It would be in that position whether it was turning left or going straight. The road is not wet. Also, that intersection is wide open and you can see for half a mile in either direction from my position. So I knew there was no cross traffic coming when the light changed.
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  8. rpeter

    rpeter Been here awhile

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    Flashing high beams here means that you are giving up your right of way, and telling the other driver to proceed.

    The procedure in Massachusetts for incidents like this is for both drivers to exchange license and insurance information, and within five days submit a crash report to the local police and state registry of motor vehicles. The taxi driver insisted that since there was no actual contact, he had no fault and so wasn't going to give me any information. At that point I called police to the scene. The police officer was very irritated at having to be there, it was kind of funny. All the officer did was instruct us to exchange information.

    I later gave the taxi driver the cost of the three parts that were damaged and asked whether he would like to take care of it off the record, or to get insurance companies involved. He threatened to have me investigated for insurance fraud, so off to my insurance company I went.

    Just have to see where it goes from here.
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  9. twinrider

    twinrider pass the catnip

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    Thanks to your vid it seems like a pretty open and shut case for the insurance company.

    Did you show the vid to the police? You'd think they could at least charge the driver with reckless driving as you had the right of way.
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  10. rpeter

    rpeter Been here awhile

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    I put the youtube address in the crash report that I submitted to the police department. I'd at least like to see the driver cited, but don't honestly expect them to do anything.
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  11. k-moe

    k-moe Long timer

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    That would require that we all ride on closed courses.
    A beter choice is to be actively engaged in assessing every potential hazard during a ride (particularly in an urban environment).
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  12. Motor7

    Motor7 Been here awhile

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    K-moe, I think what he means is to anticipate the stupid stuff, take immediate action, and not be there when it happens.

    Kent, your quote although short, pretty much says it all:thumb

    Practicing emergency braking is a excellent idea. However, if done unsupervised without either very experienced riders or instructors, it is risky if your bike does not have ABS. The reason is: a front wheel lock up at any real speed tends to break parts on the bike and body. The advanced MSF courses teach proper emergency braking, and also braking in a curve.
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  13. steelerider

    steelerider Southafricanamerican

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    Kudos to you for inviting critique. All I would say is that you learn from this experience, and good to see you wearing all your gear. I am of the mindset, that it is always my fault if something happens - thinking like this will force you to try and anticipate what every one else is going to do.
    My only critique is that you seemed to accelerate away very quickly from the intersection. You assumed that nothing would happen, and this was your error. Never assume that anyone is going to obey the rules of the road. When at an intersection, faced with on-coming vehicles, I always will wait a few seconds to see what drivers around me are going to do. I would rather yield the right of way to another driver, if it turns an unknown into a known. This is driving defensivley, not offensively (this doesnt mean riding slowly waiting for an attack) if you need to use speed to get the hell away, do it.)
    Next time - wait a sec, watch, decide and then ride.
    or - Search, evaluate, execute.
    Good Luck to you. Drive Defense, not offense.
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  14. zeeede

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    I'm not gonna jump on you for not anticipating he that he would have pulled in front of you - I wouldn't have anticipated it either. What I would have done, however, was lay on my horn as soon as I realized the cabby was moving. Might have gotten him to stop a split second sooner and given you enough space for your evasive maneuvers.
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  15. jimhaleyscomet

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    Especially if wait a few seconds on green, be sure to keep an eye on what is coming up from behind when the light changes to green.

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  16. luckygrownup

    luckygrownup Been here awhile

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    my only criticism is you reacted too slow. you had 1-2 seconds to react but just held your ground. City riders need to be like ninjas. once a driver points his vehicle in your path, you have to move. they move slow. you could have accelerated faster at light or swerved behind to the left. Alternatively, if you don't like being that aggressive just wait 2 -5 seconds after a light changes.
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  17. lmychajluk

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    Riding in one of the most congested areas of the country, I make it a point to have a pretty good idea of what everyone in an intersection is doing when my light turns green. I double-check that all cross traffic has stopped, and that that oncoming left-turner isn't trying to jump the light before moving out. Sometimes, I get honked by the guy behind me, but that's fine - worst that could happen is that I may get bumped from behind, which is definitely more acceptable to a T-bone in the intersection.

    I think if you had just waited a second when the light turned green, you would've seen that the cab was going and not going to yield the right of way.
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  18. dr_man

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    The same thing happened to me but I had a green light when approaching the intersection so was going much faster.
    Long story short, the guy turned in the front of me just when I entered the intersection, I did a sudden turn to the right which saved me from t-boning him. Then 50 meters of rolling, me and the bike behind me.
    I was lucky the bike went to the side and rolled passed me when I was stopped by a lamp post.
    The motorcycle was totaled, I luckily ended up with sprained ankle only.

    I was inexperienced back then and assumed that a green light is a ticket to go. Now I know that the accident could have been easily avoided if I slowed down and did not trust the guy in the front of me to respect my right of way.

    Today, every time I am approaching an intersection, I slow down and try to make an eye contact with the driver in the front of me.

    It seems to me that you assumed that he will not turn, which is a very dangerous thing to do, also you reacted bit too slow, rode bit too fast, he was already turning when you entered the intersection...
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  19. Horizontal

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    My 2¢, rpeter ~

    It's dark, wet and an intersection. Three reasons to be extra careful.

    The time to accelerate in this case is after you've cleared the traffic in the intersection, not before. I can totally identify with your thinking here that the taxi is merely creeping to the middle and then waiting for your transit, but that's really just an assumption, nothing more. If your speed had been slower, then your braking distance is that much shorter. Maybe you could have stopped in time without the lay-down.

    Side note: without a quick, left-right head check right as the light turned green, you could be having some much more serious concerns than simply some scratched bike parts.

    Glad you're OK and thanks for posting.
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  20. NHKTM990

    NHKTM990 Been here awhile

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    Im certainly no expert, but gas gets you out of alot more trouble than brakes do when it comes to MC's. Snap the throttle and get past the trouble. also, years of motorcycling has taught me to watch the tires, it will tell you the drivers intentions.
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