Is a F800 gs as top-heavy as a DL1000?

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  1. Noreaster

    Noreaster Fat and Cuddly again

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    Is a F800 gs as top-heavy as a DL1000?

    (Yes, I know that it weighs slightly less.)

    Can the GS replace a DL1000 AND a DR650? (probably and maybe is my guess)
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  2. Hicks

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    we should definitely have lower centre of gravity than V-Strom (fuel tank under the seat + the overall design).

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    DR650 you can replace with a Berg, EXC or LC4, right? :)
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  3. Loutre

    Loutre Cosmopolitan Adv

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    Do agree with that. but can it replace them? dunno? what do you do most of the time? onroad or off road? because the wee is more street oriented. If you want an adventure bike with high centre of gravity why don't you consider an XC?
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    I fear that the guy expects uberuniversal solution... 800GS is VERY versatile... but still, much heavier than light dirtbikes.. even considerably than 690 E-R.

    I'd probably not leave his current two-bike solution... but he can upgrade though :D
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  5. epicxcrider

    epicxcrider Been here awhile

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    The F8 feels less top heavy and is easier to pick up after a nap than the Honda XR650L I had before - which is pretty much the same as the DR anyway. I don't think it could replace the DR in the woods. The F8 is fun on the trails but it's a pig compared to the 650 size bikes. Maybe with a fork upgrade it could come a little closer to one.


    Can't speak to the comparison to the strom/
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  6. Loutre

    Loutre Cosmopolitan Adv

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    Do you have the possibility of test riding one or even rent one for one day? I mean even if you need to rent it for 80$, it will teach you a good lesson about the bike, better than any information you can get on this forum.
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  7. Noreaster

    Noreaster Fat and Cuddly again

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    That's a great idea actually. MAX BMW is great about doing test rides too!
    Sadly, I think that I am "over" the F800 thing already, unless it's very, very different from riding the Strom. I'm leaning towards a used 650 class single and a metric cruiser. I KNOW those aren't as top-heavy as a Vee Strom!!!
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  8. Desert Dave

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    Simply No. After getting off my DL1000 the GS feels like a toy (good thing).

    As far as being able to replace the DL and DR it depends how you ride both. The GS will do everything my DL does as far as getting you there, but I still would rather ride the strom on a long haul if it doesn't involve more than a dirt road.

    The GS did replace my KLR, a porker of a dirt bike itself, but in really tight ugly stuff I'd take the KLR given the choice. You just can't engineer out the weight difference on downhill mud or picking it up when it falls highside over a hill. Most of my dirt on the GS is fire road and easier trails, and I avoid mud bogs if I can, so it doesn't matter to much.
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  9. Noreaster

    Noreaster Fat and Cuddly again

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    I have seen some of your KLR videos. Your opinion is invalid*. You can out-ride me on any trail at any time on a Goldwing! It's like a fighter pilot telling me which kind of RC plane to get:lol3

    *Ok, invalid is kind of strong. You are, from what I have been able to see, an amazing rider and definitely a guy who knows his way around a dual-sport bike. I am at the other end of the spectrum. I tend to think that the Super-Duty dual sport is something that I will only be able to ride as a street bike for a few more years, so I'm better of with an actual street bike. What spurred my interest in the 800gs (besides drooling over them since they came out) was that in looking at the specs, I found that they have the same curb weight as a new-style KLR.
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    Desert Dave Enjoying the moment

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    I'd love to take credit for all that but I think you might have me confused with someone else , I don't have any videos posted, tons of pics but not any videos. That being said I still did slug my KLR thjrough lots of crap I'm not interested in taking the GS through, but that's rider choice as much or more than equipment.
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  11. Noreaster

    Noreaster Fat and Cuddly again

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    See! You are SO GOOOD that I made metal movies out of your pictures!!

    I MIGHT be wrong, I'm getting old and stuff, but aren't you the guy who was RACING you KLR? And winning?
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    Nope. Used to race, but never a KLR :lol3 Oh and I only won novice races even when I did that. But the stories are gettin better, keep em coming! :wink:
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  13. Noreaster

    Noreaster Fat and Cuddly again

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    Hum. I have heard of guys who were legends in their own mind. You're the first guy that I know to be a legend in some one else's!
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    :lol3:lol3
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  15. epicxcrider

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    You should try the GS. I bet you'd like it. Super nimble, I don't want to put nobbies on it yet because it's so good on the street.
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  16. HighFive

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    The GS was born for dirty duty, but you have to spend a lot of coin to bring it up to acceptable suspension standards to fulfill that purpose. Then, its very capable offroad in "experienced" hands. I wouldn't recommend this option for such a novice dirt rider, as you have described yourself.

    Keep the DR650 instead. Its a lot cheaper and less worrisome when you drop it in the rocks. Or, even consider downsizing your DR650 to something smaller for offroad self-training.

    The DL1000 is a fine bike, and will certainly handle dirt roads adequately.

    I do thoroughly enjoy my F800 on the tarmac. I'd just as soon ride it on the pavement, than anything else I've owned.

    I've had LOTS of hardcore KLR time. Its more capable than most believe. I like my F800GS better than my KLR in every category. But, I've had a little practice riding too.....well, maybe a lot.

    HF :thumbup
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  17. Wicket009

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    This is good question as it is the same scenario as I faced a few years back (except a 400 instead of a DR650). If I had room in the garage, I would have happily kept the both Suzukis and added a few more bikes in the process. My F800GS is a great all around bike and I would choose it again if I could only have ONE bike. But the 800GS is not in the same class as the DL1000 or DR650, so hard to say if it really replaced them. All 3 bikes have their advantages and disadvantages. As many in this thread have mentioned, it all depends on how you ride them. I really miss the DL1000 on the tarmac, and the lighter weight of the DR in the dirt. My wallet was also a lot heavier after leaving the Suzuki parts counter. I only have room for 2 bikes in the garage and the wife hated riding the DR and thus the switch to the current 650GS and 800GS. Great machines and we have no regrets. I strongly suggest a BMW test ride. Good luck:thumb
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    Just my 5 cents worth. Having ridden dirt for 35 years, and as a current F8GS and former DR owner In my view the F8GS is not a DR650 replacement.
    Its a "soft roader" not a true "off roader" by any stretch. Its like comparing an overloaded Subaru Forrester to a Humvee. :rofl

    Simply put as is, it weighs too much, has inadequate suspension, is easily damaged in a crash and comes poorly spec'd for any serious off road work. One has to spend quite a bit to get them reasonably dirt capable, but even then, an Enduro bike they are not. So if you want to attack any really challenging (ie steep, rough & muddy etc) single trails forget it, unless your heavy thumper dirt skills are top notch and you've got deep pockets. If you want an adventure tourer with real dirt ability I'd suggest a new Yamaha Tenere 660 with a TT high front mudguard kit and some decent tyres. Or a good second hand late (Orange) model KTM 640 Adventure with the dual front discs. (The engine vibrates a bit at highway speeds, but its a damn good package otherwise). The F8GS is a great back roads tourer with some "4x4" ability but thats it. It will never truly replace both a DL1000 and a DR650 (which is pretty good off road with some basic mods).

    Don't get me wrong I like my F8GS and I continue to invest in ways to improve it. But I accept it for what it is; a nice dual purpose, long distance touring bike. Forays into serious off road areas requires thought. If you can accept that (and most do, for its often owned by guys who just want to see some more countryside than the highway offers) then its a great bike. And thats why it sells (plus the McGregor/Boorman latte adventurer DVD's...). I'd say the F8GS is midway between a DR650 and a DL1000. So it depends on what you want to do with it as to whether its the best fit and can really do everything you want of it.

    Personally my feeling is that if you like the dirt and already have a good DR650, then I'd keep it and set it up with a Baja tank, bark busters, a decent big headlight and some good enduro tyres. Get a big front sprocket for the long highway runs to make cruising easier if its too buzzy (cheap, easy to carry and quick to swap over). You'll have fun for way less money and be far happier extending your off road skills on it, and its far more crashworthy when (not if) you drop it. The DR650 forms the basis for many good ADV bikes, and for good reason. I wouldn't toss it just yet, unless you're sure you can resist the urge to get dirty! have you though about selling the DL1000 and buying a better street bike and putting a few $$ into your DR instead? But if you have been told to have only 1 (wife?) then if you think you are that typical F8GS buyer (not lusting for enduro type trails) then maybe it 'll work for ya... Good luck deciding.
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  19. Noreaster

    Noreaster Fat and Cuddly again

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    I have already SOLD the DR actually. I used the money to replace it with a 450EXC. It is legal to register as a road bike here, but won't pass the safety inspection without adding a dual-sport kit. Even then, I can't see riding it for hundreds, or even dozens of miles, on a real "dual"-sport excursion.

    I have seriously thought about selling the DL and getting a more road-worthy road bike. I NEVER take it off road any way, and only rarely on a dirt road. Still, that would leave a "dual sport gap" in the garage and, well, I just don't want that.

    I guess I'm going to shop for a 650-class DS no matter what. I kind of hoped that the 800gs could sort of fill the roles that the DL and DR do (did) now. I'll probably look for a XR650, a BMW 650 of some kind, or a 640. I did the DR thing and the KLR thing (twice) and I think that either one would fill the role 650s are supposed to but I'd like to try something "else". I don't think that that Ymaha you mentioned is available in the States. Pity.
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    Well said. The only opinion I have on your points is that the 640LC motors don't just rattle and vibrate a little, they vibrate a LOT -- way more than any 250 or 450cc single that I've owned or spent time on. So much vibration that I wouldn't chose to own one unless I invested in some Flexx bars, not cheap at around $350 USD, and a custom seat.

    ^ that said, I agree that a lot of folks buy the F8 thinking they will be out doing tough singletrack and rutted up whooped out offroad riding but then get it to that type of terrain and are sorely disappointed. The suspension is fair at best, the wheels too soft, the hubs not strong, and the ergos all wrong for offroad and standing up while riding. Once you realize that and replace said items, and put in the $$, it's much better but it will never be a true offroad bike. The riders trying to convince people otherwise have either not ridden a 125/250/450 in the woods or on technical terrain or they are in denial about their purchase. There are simple facts about engineering and design; and the F800GS is not designed to be what a sub 500cc thumper bike is meant to be, plain and simple. It is capable for what it was designed for: long distance touring with some light offroad thrown in. You can polish it up and make it into something more capable but you're not making it a <250lb single. Likewise, you can also polish a honda civic into a Fast and Furious car but it will never be a rally race M3.
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