Is ATGATT overrated?

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by blk-betty, Apr 6, 2012.

  1. Celtic Curmudgeon

    Celtic Curmudgeon Indiana Jones wanabe

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    Wearing gear is a great idea, no one's debating that. So is advocating or encouraging other riders to wear more gear. However, I'm not sure I want a situation where ATGATT becomes the default no-tolerance standard. Be careful what you wish for.

    "Sir, you're boots don't come all the way over your calves, so here's a ticket. BTW, you didn't zip your jacket and pants together so press hard, it's three copies. No neck brace? That's a year suspension. We're also impounding your bike, since I can't allow you to ride home without ATG. " :deal

    Think that can't happen? How about insurance companies refusing to insure you or pay a claim unless you prove to them you have and wear, every conceivable piece of protective gear available. It's a handy way for the Safetycrats to legislate motorcycling out of existence.
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  2. SuperGlueRyan

    SuperGlueRyan Been here awhile

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    I wear a First gear TPG Rainer jacket and TPG Escape pants, FXRG4 boots, A* GPX gloves and a decent full face helmet. On rare occation I'll go without the pants. I wear them because it makes me for confident in congested traffic, loose surfaces (gravel etc) and more spirited twisty runs. I feel that it is my responsibility to as part of a community to wear it as well, if a trauma unit has to take time for me then that may be taking their attention for someone else who may not have been able to mitigate their injuries.

    I believe that it's up to the rider to decide how they dress for riding. The reason that I cringe when I see ungeared riders is because it has been my experience that most of them don't understand what gear really does and the risk associated with not using it. If someone knows and accepts the risk, then that is their deal. Someone that is new to riding or rides very little (10 year old garage queens with 3k miles anyone?) and thinks that "gear looks lame" or doesn't wear it because it covers up their rebel spirit is an idiot. For example, an aquaintance of mine bought a GSXR600 as her first bike, because 600cc isn't much, right? She plans on riding in a tank top, shorts, gym shoes, and a helmet (only because it is required by law.) Her reasoning is that she thinks that gear looks dumb and is too bulky; that is dumb. I'm going to keep working with her so that she doesn't become another squid statistic. How many experienced riders would give her the "ride how you want" advice? If she -knew- the risks and still chose to dress that way, then it wouldn't be my place to say anything.

    My view on it is that most people that ride without gear just don't know any better; maybe I just have too much faith in my fellow man. The idiots that go without to rebel against "The Man" are the worst.
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  3. Wobbleside

    Wobbleside Been here awhile

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    For me it's simple. I was an EMT for almost 6 years before I started riding. I've seen full foot evulsions, degloving of hands, feet and penises, compound long bone fractures, shattered jaws, orbits and cheekbones. Not to mention scrubbed mud and gravel out of road rash that covered 2/3rds of a patient's body.

    I've been done twice now and the worst injury I suffered was pulling some of the secondary muscles in my chest. ATGATT for me is armored textile jacket, pants, riding boots, full gauntlet gloves, modular or FF helmet and earplugs. My winter gear is olympia AST2 + first gear H/T over pants. Both warm and waterproof when it's cold and wet and with the vents open comfortable until it hits about 75-80. At that point I switch over to a pair of tourmaster Air pants and a first gear Venture jacket (textile with mesh stretch panels). I've been thinking about replacing these stuff with Olympia Moab and First Gear H/T Mesh though. Where I live it doesn't get very humid, I can escape the heat by heading up the peninsula or staying on the ocean side of the mountains. Yeah there have been a few days were riding over to a friend's place or meeting someone sucked because it was 90+ and even with a full set of knock off underarmor on under my riding gear I was still hot anytime I came to a stop at a light/sign.

    I don't own a car by choice, so I suck it up and deal with it. At the end of the day I'd rather trade a little discomfort during a very small part of the year for the level of protection good riding gear offers. If I could have afforded it or if it was practical I'd probably where more leather. In the end I found that good, properly fitted textiles offer the same level of protection for street riding conditions as a race suit and are way easier to deal with.
    Right now since the weather has been sunny but chilling after several weeks of rain the squids are out in force. I started laugh when I guy on a GSXR pulled up beside me at a light yesterday in a hoodie and sweat pants then started shivering while I was quite comfortable.
    :deal
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  4. AlanCT

    AlanCT The Byronic Man

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    For me it's ATGATT on two wheels, but I'll often doff the riding pants for jeans when taking the sidecar rig.
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  5. Sumo64c

    Sumo64c Been here awhile

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    ATGATT/ Hi viz helmet/jacket/pants with a run flat car tire on back.....yeah I don't fuck around with safety, or am I cancelling out some of the ATGATT?:eek1
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  6. LuciferMutt

    LuciferMutt Rides slow bike slow

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    :baldy

    Thanks for taking this thread in an entirely new direction...
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  7. Dcc46

    Dcc46 Been here awhile

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    Wear whatever you want, it's your life. Who gives a shit what anyone else thinks.
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  8. Sumo64c

    Sumo64c Been here awhile

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    Not trolling the dark side angle, I do run it because of the run flat, however it's not ATGATT related. My bad.
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  9. Ceemack

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    No offense, Dakez, but I think you got that one backwards. In my book, if you don't think riding a motorcycle is dangerous, then you shouldn't be riding.

    Because if you're not aware of the dangers and constantly working to avoid them, you're just an organ donor who's been slightly delayed on his way to the hospital.
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  10. anotherguy

    anotherguy unsympathetic

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    So the past 49 (soon to be 50) years of riding/racing (including 14 landspeed records and a few offroad and pavement trophies)are null because of what you "think"? I'd wager that your response required little thought. Do what you please and I'll continue the path I've successfully chosen.
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  11. Dan-M

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    Aren't condoms ATGATT? Is there more gear to wear for that activity that I'm not aware of?


    For riding I wear full gear except for when I commute to work. On my 5 mile commute I still wear helmet, jacket & gloves but generally wear jeans and work boots. It is just a risk I decide to take.
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  12. SlipChip

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    I have to admit, however, to being predjudiced against those who don't at least wear helmet, boots and gloves. :norton I figure they are just kind of stupid as these are the most likey and vulnerable appendages to be injured badly even in a low speed crash. :muutt which is all too likely to happen at some point considering even the everyday obstacles that we confront.

    But, like I say, everyone is perfectly entitled to make their own choices that suit them at the time. I choose to ride mostly ATGATT, usually this is in my 2 piece 'stich with FF, gauntlets and touring boots. Occasionally, when it is hot, I will wear shorty gloves, open as many zippers as possible and even skip the pants. If I lived down south again I would probably modify this with some sort of mesh suit.
    :deal
    Over all? Big Deal, Who Cares, I certainly don't care what I look like to the average Joe Fabeetz riding his Hardley or clone, wearing T-shirt, shorts and sandals.:huh HE looks ridiculous!



    P.S. What's with all thehiking boots
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  13. Dolly Sod

    Dolly Sod I want to do right, but not right now

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    I don't think it's overrated, and yes I wear it all the time.

    Every
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    Time
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  14. JimVonBaden

    JimVonBaden "Cool" Aid!

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    A lot of ASSumptions in your discourse just now.

    IMHO It won't end well because this is not a cruiser forum. The majority wear at least some gear, and many actually have an opinion about the intelligence of those who do not wear gear. Your post is very telling on how you stand, and defensive before the first reply.

    This will not end well.:deal

    Jim :brow
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  15. Thanantos

    Thanantos Ride hard.

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    I ride ATGATT every time I get on the bike, and I commute and/or get a ride in just about every day.

    It was a good idea to start this because it is interesting to see how others ride, but in the end it matters little to me. Pretty much all of my friends (who I haven't met through riding) are Harley riders whose ideal motorcycle gear is boots, jeans, t-shirt and half-helmet (if required).

    That's fine. They can wear what they like, and I do the same.

    MUCH more importantly is that if you can't laugh at yourself or take a little ribbing (or allow others to be ribbed) then who would want to ride with you?

    I read your rant in the original thread. Take a deep breath. It's really not that important in the end.
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  16. NJ Moto

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    +1
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  17. blk-betty

    blk-betty bam-a-lam

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    Thanks Jim.

    Points taken. I can only speak on my experiences and very few riders in my area are ATGATT, that includes GS/GSA riders as well as cruiser riders.

    I'm just trying to understand why some feel the need to make comments about the intelligence of others based simply on their bike and gear choice.

    I'll bet some here ride both motorycles and road or mountain bicycles and those bicycle riders are a competitive bunch. They tend to ride hard and fast be it on the pavement or in the woods. Their safety gear is minimal compared to motorycle gear, yet the hazards aren't that much different.

    How does one rationalize he must wear a full face helmet, full gloves, boots over the ankle, textile or leather jacket/pants with body armour on the bike and a spandex leotard, fingerless gloves, less than half-helmet head protection, and lightweight shoes with exposed arms and legs when on a bicycle.

    I'm not saying wearing gear is pointless. I'm asking at what point is wearing all the gear too much of an impediment such that one either decides to take the car, or wear less than full gear.

    If by some law it was mandated that one must wear full protective gear (helmet, gloves, boots, body armour) at all times I honestly would probably give up riding. It's the wind in my face, sun on my skin that makes it so enjoyable to me.

    BTW, I work in health care and often see catastrophic spinal cord injury patients. Given the choice I'd choose death.
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  18. Dolly Sod

    Dolly Sod I want to do right, but not right now

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    I ride mountain bikes, though not competitively, and am planning to try the upgrade to a full face helmet. It's not nearly as practical to wear all the gear on a bicycle because you'd quickly overheat, but gloves are doable, and really a must as when you come off a bike typically the first thing you do is put your hands out.
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  19. Xtremjeepn

    Xtremjeepn Motorhead!

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    Obviouslyly this response required little thought since my response was right in line with your original post. :huh


    Lets see here.....you claimed skills were important to you.....and that you tend to always wear your gear....hmm.....
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  20. Ugly

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    Stay out of my lane if you're going the other way. Move over if you're going slower than me. Don't force me to avoid you. Give others assistance if it's needed. Put whatever tire on your bike you want to. Wear what you feel is appropriate.

    I'll do the same.

    Is ATGATT overrated?? Of course not. It saves lives and protects the body. That said, I'm not going to wrap myself up in a giant ball of bubblewrap and bounce down the freeway. Might put that on my bucket list though... yea, definitely putting that on my bucket list.

    For the record, I always wear gear. It will be lighter or heavier gear based on what the weather is doing and what kind of ride I'm going on. I'm not going to be wearing full race leathers going to the store when the max speed limit is 35mph, but I will have on my jacket, overpants, boots, gloves and helmet. And I always try to keep my head in the game.
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