Is ATGATT overrated?

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by blk-betty, Apr 6, 2012.

  1. wmax351

    wmax351 Been here awhile

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    I like the point that it doesn't take that much to be some improvement. Just some sort of decent well over the ankle boots (sturdy hiking boots or work boots even) make a huge difference. Also, same goes for a 3/4 helmet. Broken jaws are painful and ugly, but not too dangerous or expensive.
  2. stubmw

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    I have said here before the most important peice of safety equipment is that gray matter in your skull.
  3. NJ-Brett

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    I wear a helmet when I ride, 3/4 mostly, never wear shorts, and that is it for the safety gear.
    If its cold out, I wear a leather jacket.
    if its REAL cold out, I have a one piece cold weather suit.
    I have non motorcycle boots for dirt riding, and even wear them sometimes.

    I have been on the street since 17, am now 54, and got rash once, very early on, very drunk in the rain.
    I am not sure how its going to turn out, but NOT riding around with all that gear for 35 years sure has been nice.

    Not wearing all the gear, I do not take chances. I do not ride places where its likely to end badly, I do not push it past about 85%, I ride like no one sees me, leave an out, do not over ride my sight lines, do not tailgate (much).

    I never blew a turn, had an issue with a car, and I and my bikes have not been down on the street for over 30 years.

    I am sure, wearing gear, riders take more chances.
    After all, what good is it unless you use it?

    I use sunblock.
  4. TeneRay

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    ATGATT saved me twice, both encounters were inevitable.

    Second instance was a month ago when a truck pulled out right in front of me at an intersection as I was crossing at 35mph.

    Managed to swerve at the last second but as I corrected, the bike highsided, throwing me off causing me to land flat on my back.

    I walked away with only a sore back. Pelican cases broke the bikes fall.

    I was just making a run to the store an back not even a mile away from the house.

    At the time:
    Icon Variant helmet
    Tourmaster top, bottom, and un-armored gloves
    Alpinestar Scout boots

    I often get criticized for dressing like an astronaut but I know accidents can happen which we cannot avoid.
  5. DAKEZ

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    I despise and reject outright that ridiculous and often parroted donor cycle bullshit.

    Is the cup half full or half empty?

    I do not consider riding dangerous.

    I do think it can be dangerous for new and returning riders. That is why I do what I can to increase the road craft skills of every rider I sell bikes to. I ride with them, share knowledge with them buy copies of Proficient Motorcycling and give it to them.

    I want every rider to arrive safely at their intended destination each and every ride. I do what I can to make that happen. :D

    Like it or not... Good gear helps by providing comfort.
  6. Kommando

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    Nobody said anything about lying, but I have a few questions...

    Do you always wear a neck brace, like LEATT?

    Do you wear an airbag vest/jacket?

    Do you wear a chest/thorax protector?

    Do you wear wristguards?

    Would your "gear" be adequate for a trackday?

    Would your "gear" be adequate for a supercross/motocross/enduro/rally race?
  7. wmax351

    wmax351 Been here awhile

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    Motorcycles are dangerous. That being said, so are cars, going down stairs, and crossing the street.

    Motorcycles are somewhat more dangerous than cars. You could say that cars are less dangerous than bikes. There are many things that will put you down on a bike that are harmless on a car. When you go down, there is a much higher risk of injury.

    It all depends on what you define as "Dangerous." Just because something is dangerous, doesn't mean it is unreasonably so. This is true everywhere.
  8. Thanantos

    Thanantos Ride hard.

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    Ahhhhh, I see now.

    I have admitted (in this very forum) to cheating at ATGATT a few weekends ago under similar circumstances that blk betty describes. It was household repairs, not a party, but I was in a rush, and in the end I was VERY uncomfortable without my gear (like I am without a seatbelt in my cage any more). It literally takes my 5 minutes to be ATGATT and I would just prefer to have it on.

    I don't own a LEATT brace, but do you think the difference between a t-shirt and a Kilimanjaro jacket is a similar analogy? I don't.
  9. Ultravoyageant

    Ultravoyageant Been here awhile

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    I really don't have to add any more to it than this said above, but I will. It is completely your decision to wear or not wear whatever you want when on your bike. I'm very glad that you yourself said that the statement you mentioned at the beginning of this thread was "at least a bit over the top":

    "ATGATT is overrated.... it's for guys who are either too afraid of a boo-boo or those who feel like they have to put on an amour suit to prove how manly they are to participate in such a dangerous activity...."

    All I can say about the above is if nothing else you are a master of understatement.

    Here are some of the reasons why I wear ATTGATT every damn time I go out on the bike;

    1)Everywhere that I've been in the world the laws of physics are in full effect, whether I like it or not.

    2)As a person who used to put in tens of thousands of miles a year training when I was racing road bicycles I've unfortunately seen more than my fair share of accidents (more than a few involving me) involving one or more cyclists meeting terra firma at 30, 40, 50mph, and sometimes faster. The aftermath was never pretty, and sometimes it was downright grisly. Earlier today In fact I rode past what appeared to be the aftermath of a cyclist crashing on a steep hill where he must have been going at least 50 when he went down. There was enough blood where at first I was looking for the car that hit him. There was none, just road that rose up to meet him. Seeing that shit today reminded me why I wear ATTGATT on my 100+HP bike that goes way more than 50mph. It also has me thinking about how I can wear more protective gear on my next bicycle ride.

    3)No god has ever contacted me granting me dispensation from the effects the road will wreak upon my body were I to suddenly fling myself at it at a high rate of speed. Since I am currently without divine protection I make do with ATTGATT.

    4)I am not in this world alone. That is, I am married, I have family and friends who I would like to reassure that while this isn't the safest occupation out there I do my best to mitigate some of the danger by staying frosty when out on the bike, keeping a high situational awareness, riding within my abilities and wearing the protective kit. If there is a way I can wear something that increases my ability to walk away from an accident vs being carried away I'll do that, because I don't want to have to have my wife helping me change yards of bandages on road rash I could have avoided, all because I want to hop on the bike in a second to get a pint of milk. That's some irresponsible and selfish shit on my part, and since I'm neither the irresponsible nor selfish type, I choose to wear ATTGATT, or take a car if I don't have the time to put the gear on.

    5)Road rash fucking hurts, and I'd like that I never have to deal with that bullshit ever again. I'm man enough to to admit that.

    So if you're under the protection of a god, live in some parallel universe where the laws of physics do not apply, are selfish or irresponsible then by all means do continue to ride sans ATTGATT. You're a grown ass adult, so you got that.
  10. orangebear

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    no. as i dont wear leathers any more no sinces i grow out of the free stuff. now just wear textles top nd bottom. and you cant do a trackday an less you wear leathers.
  11. orangebear

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    i allways wear full gear on the road. as i wont to keep my skin if i ever come off and slid.
    i dont have a car any more as its cheaper and more fun to run a bike so even if it take a we bit longer to get the gear on i can get the quick on the bike than a car any way.

    i dont bother wearing a helmet or any other gear when i ride OFFROAD . just wear my bike boots and gloves and jeans and a hoody. as i ride that slow off road the gear is not needed


    if you dont wear a helmet you are a massive fool. becosue if you went down at 30 and slid up the road you my get road rash on you face what wont end well. its why i hate those point less beaning helmets. the ones that are sold in the uk are just gifts and cant cant be used on the road any more.
  12. Signal

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    Good thoughts- but more applicable to racing certainly.
    The car racing equal would be 5 point harness, roll cage, helmet, neck brace...

    Certainly "standard" road ATGATT has limitiations, but lack of gear only magnifies a problem- to me like driving w/o seatbelts.

    ANd for those who argue the cost of gear, you should price the cost of a small skin graft :deal
  13. Future ten

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    The term itself irritates me but I have spent good money on nice gear that makes the ride all the more enjoyable, myself a bit more visible. In FL a nice vented jacket and good flowing lid along with the basics keeps the heat at a minimum and in the event of a fall, keeps you from roasting while laying on hot pavement. (a true concern)

    The cost should be non existent, most are riding 15 and 20+ thousand dollar bikes. Mc close out gear rules. Superstore as well. If you can't afford a set of decent gear your in the wrong place.
  14. windmill

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    Whenever I ride, I typically wear,

    Nolan modular helmet.
    Barbour International jacket.
    French MC police gloves.
    Jeans
    Redwing 917 steel toe MC/work boots.

    Some folks would consider that "all the gear", some "most the gear", and some would consider it totally inadequate

    I ride a Ural so low siding and high speeds are not part of the equation, I ride hard but conservatively and it is my full time all weather transportation. I wear what I feel is a reasonable compromise in comfort, convience, protection and cost.

    I don't deny that there may be some increased risk in what I choose to wear, but I don't feel it is unreasonable or foolish increase in risk.
  15. RuckedUp

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    Brace: off road yes
    Airbag vest: yes for road rides
    Chest protector: compression shirt off road
    No wrist.
    No track day.
    Enduro/rally yes
  16. slojon

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    In a word. NO!!!!!!!
  17. Wraith Rider

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    Yes, ATGATT is overrated. I don't consider myself ATG even if I'm ATG, because I did choose my gear not only for protection but for comfort. Textile with leather applications instead of full leather, thin gloves with small, soft protectors instead of kevlar inlays, only a small, soft back protector and only ankle-deep shoes instead of heavy boots.
    It's my alldays clothing as well, so it has to be comfy and often I change the pants for leather jeans.

    And yes, although I have to wear a helmet by law I don't do it every time. You could catch me with full gear except the helmet if I'm in that mood or with no protective gear at all. Even have been riding in my bathrobe to the letter box. Would you go ATGATT for a walk through the city? Me neither! (Quite dangerous, considering how many pedestrians are killed by cars.)
  18. PeterW

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    > Do you always wear a neck brace, like LEATT?

    No, but. Wear a neck collar. I have neck damage from a previous accident and the support for the helmet helps.

    > Do you wear an airbag vest/jacket?

    No.

    > Do you wear a chest/thorax protector?

    Usually. Hot as hell here most of the year, mesh jacket on top of armour works best.

    > Do you wear wristguards?

    No.

    > Would your "gear" be adequate for a trackday?

    No.

    > Would your "gear" be adequate for a supercross/motocross/enduro/rally race?

    No.

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    But - it's more than O.K. for commuting and the riding I do. I could get away with less than I usually wear.
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    Comment: Collected a kangaroo a couple of week ago, took no damage , which surprised the hell out of me. Took the demons for a walk today (same route, same time of day). No more roo's , but there was a pretty fucked up cyclist sitting at the side of the road (With friends/ambulance on the way), broken arm, broken ribs. All he done was misjudge a corner ....

    Put the risks in perspective for me. I'm O.K. with the gear I have :)

    Pete
  19. KradmelderSA

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    I rarely wear everything. Only on long distance trips, bad weather, or bad gravel roads.

    Everything is enduro helmet, fabric jacket and trousers, gloves, boots.

    MX boots only if very muddy or sandy, other lather boots like Formas.
    Commuting to work is ony jacket, gloves and helmet
    tar on highway, padded bike jean or normal office trousers, normal shoes or light city boot,s gloves, helmet, jacket
    around town on the weekend. Just helmet and gloves. never go without these. Not even to the shop. And never in shorts.

    Im not going to kit up so that riding becomes an effort and not enjoyable. Then I may as well cage. I ride every day. Its my main transport and the cage is a necessarily evil I use once every 2 weeks to transport my kids and carry big stuff. I will ride in the rain before I get in a cage.

    I guess I play the acceptable risk game. The more risk, the more I wear. But neck brace and additional hard armour under neath the frabric jacket....well maybe if I blasting off to outer space
  20. outsidein

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    I have to wear gear anyway most of the time just to stay warm where I ride. Might as well wear protective stuff. Never ride without a FF helmet, gloves, boots, jacket and usually wear motorcycle pants or kevlar jeans. In my job in health care I've seen way to much carnage resulting from what happens when you crash with out it. BTW half helmets only give you less than half the head protection of a full face helmet. Something like 35% of head impacts are to the face and chin. As for buying a cruiser style leather jacket made out of paper thin leather and no armor, whats the point? Bones can heal but damaged knees, shoulders, elbows, etc. never work properly again after an injury - a little CE padding can go a long way to save your joints.