Is ATGATT overrated?

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by blk-betty, Apr 6, 2012.

  1. Paebr332

    Paebr332 Good news everyone!

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    The Peltzman Effect, like the Dunning-Kruger Effect, is a psychological phenomenon that can be overcome by being made aware of the tendency. The three laws of motion are NOT psychological in nature but are immutable laws of the universe. No amount of self awareness can overcome these laws. In a motorcycle crash the rider WILL be contacting a hard surface or surfaces in a violent manner. Good gear can mitigate the effect of the impact(s).
  2. Wraith Rider

    Wraith Rider Banned

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    You can't "own" atgatt. Even more you can't "own but not use it".
    You are constantly missusing the phrase.
  3. Vertical C

    Vertical C Long timer

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    I am aware o it and still affects me. So not true.
  4. MotoTex

    MotoTex Miles of Smiles

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    True for YOU doesn't make it true for everyone.

    Have you considered seeking professional help? :D

    Just kidding. I remember feeling this way with gear on in my late teens and early twenties. But I was immediately aware of it and adjusted my riding style accordingly. Eventually I was able to don the gear and no longer find myself experiencing this effect.

    Knowledge is power. You may have more control over this than you realize.
  5. O.C.F.RIDER

    O.C.F.RIDER Loose nut behind h/bars

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    It seems this "Peltzman Effect" thing, would apply to me also! At the advanced (dirt riding) age of 54, with the advent of fantastic knees braces, Leatt Braces, boots that are better than ever, I'm riding faster than I ever have and a big reason is because I feel so well protected. Didn't help my wrist much last December though! SNAPPOLA! If I had been riding without all the stuff, I can assure you I wouldn't have been going as fast.
    But on the other hand, on the street I'm a AATGATT guy. All very good gear, except, like lots of others.........jeans. Well, in June I got bit........

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    I stepped-off my ZRX in a right-hander at somewhere between 90-100mph (don't waste your time preaching at me, I've been riding, racing, and sometimes crashing for 46 years) after discovering a patch of sand.
    Legs.......
    First two pics show the aftermath of Speed+Pavement+Shitty old BDU's= A lot of meat loss.
    Torso......
    Third pic is right elbow after wearing through the rather thick leather of a once very nice Vanson jacket. If I hadn't had it on, I can only imagine how much skin would have been left on Clinton Road.
    Paws.....
    Fourth pic is after wearing through a really nice pair of Tecnik road-race gloves.
    Noogin.......
    No pics of bashed head, or my helmet (I'll get some up later), but the 2 week old Arai Vector looks like it was dragged behind a car for a couple of miles and the shield MELTED from dragging along Clinton Road for a bit. It was quite the light show in there as all the stuff in the front of the bike was getting ground away!
    Feets & ankles....
    You can see my ugly foot in the pic, but it didn't get any uglier from the crash, and ankles didn't get ground away either thanks to good over the ankle Hiking boots.
    In summation, ATGATT is NOT overrated!!!!!!!! If I HAD been wearing good pants, I wouldn't STILL (2 1/2 months later) have a oozing leg that's keeping me from dirt riding. :cry But, that being said, had there been a car coming at just the wrong moment (for me), all the gear in the world wouldn't have kept me from getting torn into little chunks. So there is a bit of good old fashioned LUCK involved too.
    Do I still ride in jeans?
    Yes.
    But just around town, or short hops. Still doesn't make sense I suppose as the big crash happened about 5 miles from the house.
    But going out for a "ride", it's a beautiful brand new 2-piece Spidi suit scored on ebay for the princely sum of..........................(you won't believe this) $250!!!!!!!!!! :clap Oh, and a pair of top shelf Alpinestar boots too.
    In the dirt?
    Never, ever, NOT, ATGATT! Period. Crashes happen too easily, and sometimes the crash doesn't even have to happen to blow a knee out or knock yourself onto Queer St..

    CW

  6. Dolly Sod

    Dolly Sod I want to do right, but not right now

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    Your personal lack of self control is not a problem for everyone else.
  7. Wraith Rider

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    Impressing! I knew atgatt was overrated, but not that it was SO overrated.
  8. O.C.F.RIDER

    O.C.F.RIDER Loose nut behind h/bars

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    ???
    I'm not "getting" it.

    CW
  9. Wraith Rider

    Wraith Rider Banned

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    I'm just surprised and impressed how minor your injuries after a 90...100mph crash with jeans were. I thought gear would make more of a difference or better to say I would have expected your knee to be missing or something.
  10. randyo

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    I lowsided once at 70mph, slid 175 feet on wet grass, it was so much fun, I almost wanted to get up and do it again but knew better it might not work out the same the next time
  11. MotoTex

    MotoTex Miles of Smiles

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    After scratching my head over WR's litany of drivel, and several unfruitful attempts at intelligent discourse with WR, he earned a coveted place on my "Ignore List" (first and only FF there) and reading this thread has been much easier since.

    To place an FF on Ignore, just select to view their profile and look for "User Lists" dropdown. Select "Add to Ignore List" and you're done!

    Quick and easy.

    After which his posts look like this to me.
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    Thank you so much for posting up quickly so I could use it as an example. :lol3 :clap
  12. Wraith Rider

    Wraith Rider Banned

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    I really would be happy if he tried that.
  13. O.C.F.RIDER

    O.C.F.RIDER Loose nut behind h/bars

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    To be sure, the injuries could have been much worse, but as it is, 2 1/2 months later I still have about a half-dollar size piece of drooling, oozing, sometimes still bleeding, chunk that's trying to reunite with the rest of my skin. With proper gear, that most likely wouldn't be the case. I may have still gotten burned through leather's, but I wouldn't be missing lots of meat.
    Also, there's a certain "art" to keeping one's self from being broken up worse that's learned through road-racing crashes. You learn, well it becomes reflex, to keep your limbs tucked in tight as you can. Less flailing about of those bits usually means less pins, plates, and such.
    All that, PLUS, luck was very much on my side. Never discount plain ol' luck.

    CW
  14. Wraith Rider

    Wraith Rider Banned

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    That's a VERY VERY tiny prize for a 90...100mph crash without gear (at that part of your body).
  15. JimVonBaden

    JimVonBaden "Cool" Aid!

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    Your name appears to fit!:lol3

    Jim :brow
  16. MotoTex

    MotoTex Miles of Smiles

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    Bump. Back to the top.

    I think with a little more effort we can get this thread more posts and reads than the Noob Sticky. :lol3
  17. Bar None

    Bar None Candy Ass

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    Is ATGATT overrated?
    If you don't ever crash then ATGATT is overrated. :rofl
    Unfortunately, I have crashed so in my case ATGATT is not overrated.
  18. shelbird

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  19. Wraith Rider

    Wraith Rider Banned

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    I crashed, it's still overrated.
  20. randyo

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