Is it 80% the rider and only 20% the bike?

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by B1, Mar 19, 2017.

  1. Carlo Muro

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    He may have crashed out on the Dragon that day but I've seen it documented that he saved over 40 lives getting there.
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  2. FredBGG

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    Even if it were 80% rider and 20% bike....... 20% more fun is 20% more fun, 20% more smile muscle strain.

    On a serious note... when shit happens even marginal help from a better bike can make the difference form going over the Oh Shit threshold.

    Sometimes an inch can make the difference between going down bad and nothing happening.

    But there is also another side to this. A bike that doesn't have the best suspension can be a lot of fun at lower speeds. A higher performance bike can be a bit boring until you
    throw more speed into the mix.

    When it comes to dirt I find that getting the ergoanomics right is as important ans the overall performance of the bike.

    Some of the biggest smiles I see out on the trails are from guys riding "lovely junk" or really appropriate but somewhat lower performance machines.
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  3. FredBGG

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    Less junk banging around is an advantage. Them nuts can get banged around big time in the dirt.
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  4. High Country Herb

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    My friend can easily out ride me on a track with his SV650, and me on a CBR600. His son can wipe the floor with both of us on his Yamaha R3 (the 15 year old won 1st place this weekend at a AFM race).
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  5. William Wolfen

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    The bike has to have the underlying ability to do what is being asked of it. The rest is the rider knowing how to ask properly!
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    ..

    Which is why I am left wondering about the depth.

    If you never get to the bottom you don't know how deep it is.

    Never bothered me before, but now, knowing my bike riding talent may have suffered development because I didn't go deep enough, well, It's depressing to think about.

    ..
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  7. TheProphet

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    I'm for the one side. :*sip*
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  8. windblown101

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    Cool enough video even though it just states the obvious. After years of casual riding it still impresses (and depresses...) the hell out of me what some folks with the right skills can do on a motorcycle that no amount of money spent on parts can replicate.
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  9. curtis6870

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    Where I ride in the NGA & WNC mountains, it is more like 95% rider. At 250+ lbs, I ride either a 650 or 800cc depending on the mood, and I routinely pass 120lb guys on R1's, etc...even with my average abilities.
    I know a guy on a 1950's BSA who will flat out leave almost anyone on any bike in the twisties.
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    Dammit , I KNEW Fred always came across like a woman , now I know why. :imaposer
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    An amazing part is the rider. Very few of us (me included) ride to the limits. Those that have the skills to do so impress me to no end. Every time I ride in the mountains on vacation there is one person (a local) in a pickup truck that is faster than almost anyone, bike or car, and clearly has the skills. They invariably set a fun pace.
    Then there are the older gents in a rented Camaro or Mustang that hold everyone up, including the local minivans. And won't use turnouts.
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  12. FredBGG

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    I guess boobs would be good stabilizers....
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    You'd know better than I. :lol3
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  14. FredBGG

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    It's always the little prick in 5th grade that goes on about big or small dicks, not the 6'4" dudes that could'nt give a shit.....
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    I'm just busting your balls , or lack there of. :lol3 I'm 6'5'' and could care less. :D
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  16. JohnCW

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    Well put. I just know the performance difference it makes on my bike when I have the suspension set spot on, as opposed to less than optimally set (say still figuring it out after a revalve). Same bike, same rider, massive difference in handling and performance.

    How well did the arguably best MotoGP rider ever go in two seasons riding for a certain Italian factory team? Didn't loose his skill, but only a single third place in two full seasons. How many years previously to Jack Miller's 2016 MotoGP win was it since a non factory team bike won a MotoGP? Ten years!

    When I was a kid big crowds used to go to National level motorcycle racing. Now, only a fraction of the size. Major reason I reckon, privateers are so far of the pace of the factor teams. The race is two or three of each of factory teams bikes battling it out for the podium places, and the rest of the field is strung out like Brown's cows often two or more laps behind. Quite boring really.

    A mate has recently traded his TDM900 for an 1190 Adventurer. Pulling uphill through the twisties, he can just roll on 160hp with all that state of the art electronics and its 'good-buy'. Exactly the same rider and skill as he was when he owned the TDM.

    Sure a really crap rider isn't going to cut it just because they throw their leg over a well set up high performance bike. But it makes a massive difference when riders are even remotely in the same ballpark skill level. Someone can be slow in the corners but still keep up if they have superior HP to blast out of the corner. I ride every weekend with guys doing exactly that.

    Riders on the wrong sort of bike is I think the major reason that holds so many back. It's to heavy, or handles like a pig, of is too aggressive for their skill level.
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    So you do care?
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  18. William Wolfen

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    Very well said. I left that off for the sake of discussion. On your comment about slow through the corners and blasting out, I had the unpleasant fortune of being behind 2 guys like that this past Saturday. I was on my DR riding their asses while,they were on large displacement adventure bikes. Sad part is they didn't out blast the DR by much coming out of the corners! Oh well. I got my group around them eventually.
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  19. North by Northeast

    North by Northeast Been here awhile

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    You clearly give a very big shit about anything anyone says given your incessant warblings on here
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    Is this what they mean by keeping the shiny side UP ?
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