Is it ok to filter to b 1st?

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by GSAragazzi, Sep 30, 2012.

  1. windmill

    windmill Long timer

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    You are 100% wrong, you need to read my posts again.

    What I am saying is claiming that it's necessary for safety and using that excuse to do it habitually has no merit. Filtering or splitting where illegal is trading one unlikely threat for another unlikely threat, it's playing "what if" and hand picking what suits your desire to filter or split all the time.

    I agree that filtering and splitting do have safety and convenience benefits, and are not "cutting line" where legal. It's just not a decision we have the right to make as individuals and is counter productive in the long run.
  2. larryboy

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    You'd better shut it down, your post count is outta control!!


    I try to time intersections for a green light or cars already stopped just so I can filter to be safe from rear enders. Had one the other day where I had to stop first in line, I could see the van coming up behind me was hard on the brakes nosed over, I had to hit the gas on red, he stopped in the crosswalk while I had to move over the crosswalk to avoid a killing...man, sure wish I could have filtered on that one. :eek1
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    Ginger Beard I have no soul

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    Thank you for clarifying. I mistook what it was that you were trying to convey and I apologize for attacking you on a point that you never made.


    Regarding the part that I have underlined: While filtering is not legal here I do make the choice to do it when I feel that safety may be an issue. When my choice is to be legal or to be safe I will choose my own safety every time. Legality will take a back seat in every instance. I won't be any help to anyone in the long run if I am not around to speak up.
  4. windmill

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    I agree with you, legitimate safety concerns trump legality, if there is a clear and present danger beyond some hypothetical "what if", do what ya gotta do.
  5. Human Ills

    Human Ills Useful Idiom

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    How is it our fault that most people are too stupid to get out of cages? :norton

    The idea that some so-called riders show up on a motorcyclists forum to explain to us that four+ wheeled travel is somehow the "default" transportation and people who have the brains to ride something smaller and more maneuverable AND use that to their advantage are somehow asking for 'special consideration' is FUCKING LAUGHABLE.

    Open your god-damned mind before it's too late.
  6. eatpasta

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    that's a stupid argument and you know it. EVERYbody has seen people making stupid panic lane changes in traffic, and even here in Ca where lane splitting is legal and people are used to it, it's a VERY real danger.

    and thanks for the totally irrelevant and abrasive statement that does nothing but reveal so much about yourself
  7. eatpasta

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    you've never been to Asia.....

    :lol3
  8. eatpasta

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    Lots of people in the building where I work are always fascinated in the fact that I ride every day because most of them have just spent more than an hour in their car to get there.

    What's traffic?

    :scratch

    I always offer up the idea of them learning how to ride; easing traffic and parking, getting better economy, maybe even being invigorated as you walk into work after a morning ride and its always funny to me that for them it's just not an option.

    .....it's fine by me.... crawl on all fours all your life - or learn to walk

    :D
  9. AZbiker

    AZbiker Crunkin' with crackers

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    You're welcome. :D
  10. pretbek

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    I think his point is that this discussion is about filtering; riding between stationary rows of cars at a stop light.
    Not about lane splitting i.e. pass moving traffic.
  11. Human Ills

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  12. windmill

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    I hate cages, if I get in one I find it confining and uncomfortable, I feel trapped and unsafe, and usally get sick to my stomach. I drive big trucks for a living and ride full time for transportation, I rarely get in a cage more than a half dozen times a year.

    Cages are the work of the devil.

    That said, I understand most folks have other needs and priorities. And on the subject at hand, as a mature adult of a civilized society I realize that I don't get everything my way every time. I hate taxes as much as I hate some traffic laws, but I still pay them.

    But look at the bright side, break enough laws you dont like, and you may get free room and board.
  13. eatpasta

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    solution!

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  14. Human Ills

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    Last I checked, self-governance included civil disobedience.

    So which laws am I breaking? I find it HIlarious that folks with little experience sharing/filtering AND observing sharing/filtering are going to tell people who know what it's about, what it's about.

    If you aren't agitating for reforming your stupid laws, never mind being an apologist for your stupid laws, then you're part of the problem.

    Sharing/filtering WORKS for EVERYBODY... even those so ignorant that they don't know it.
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  16. JimVonBaden

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    You should definitely do your best to change laws you disagree with. On the other hand, anarchy isn't civil disobedience!

    At the rate this is going, CSM will find this thread soon.

    Jim :brow
  17. windmill

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    I did plenty of filtering/sharing when I lived in NYC (yes illegally) and have done my fair share in CA which is why I have no arguments against it on its own merit.

    You are obviously very emotionally vested on this subject, perhaps too much so. What you suggest, such as "civil disobedience" and "agitating" while riding a motorcycle, considering our already very poor public image, is highly counter productive............................if that was really why you do it.





    But back in the real world...........
    Where filtering/sharing legal or not, doing it or not doing it, will all most likely be the same non event.
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    Traffic laws are like the weather, road conditions, traffic, and everything else that makes up your riding environment, You need to learn how to deal with the conditions of your riding environment as they really are, not how you wish they would be.

    If you can't handle the heat...........

    Thankfully I have developed the skills and confidence that allow me to safely and enjoyably ride a motorcycle on public roads without having to habitually use illegal or discourteous crutches.
  18. AviatorTroy

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    I do filter but I'm completely aware that its quasi illegal and most cagers would never understand. Therefore, i try not to be a dickhead about it and if I pull a questionable move, I sure as hell beat feet when the light turns green!
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    If I need to make a right turn and I'm stuck in traffic I will run up the side between the cars and the curb and then turn right. No one seems to care at all about this especially if I put on my signal to let cars know I'll be turning right. Tonight I tried full on filtering past about a dozen or so cars stopped cars and still no one seemed to care. They probably didn't even realize what was happening to be honest :lol3
  20. Human Ills

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    As do you. Next red herring?