Is it time to drop the GPS and go SmartPhone?

Discussion in 'GPS 101 - Which GPS For Me' started by deacon51, Sep 22, 2017.

  1. scfrank

    scfrank Old farts riding club.

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    I don’t always follow routes. Sometimes I’m just looking for a road. What app was that? I don’t necessarily want zoom tied to speed.

    We obviously use GPS in different ways. No issue with that.
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  2. ohgood

    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    hmm, that's interesting. I don't think I've ever (since learning of GPS for cars, years ago!) looked for a road name. I just punch in the location and enjoy the ride.

    the app is locus, but if you're determined to read road names you won't like it, as it only display them properly when north up is selected.
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  3. scfrank

    scfrank Old farts riding club.

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    Sometimes I ride routes. I use America Rides Maps often. Ride mostly in WNC, NE Ga, Western Va.. sometimes someone will mention a road, dirt or otherwise, don’t spend the effort making a route. It’s not about the location, it’s getting there. Like, ride Diamond Creek, Up 215 just above Rosman. Or Wolf Mtn Rd off of Charley’s Creek.

    See where it goes. If I get lost, push the home button.
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  4. deacon51

    deacon51 Been here awhile

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    Okay, I'm 99% sure when I sell my '14 R1200GSW next year the Nav V will go with it and not be replaced on the new bike. I'm just not into making the routes and things like I once was.
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    My old Garmin nuvi 500 have topographic maps. Essential when I go off road. I havent seen phone map that can beat it. However, when in town I switch to my smartphone. I use voice commands to find places and get there. Recently both Garmin and Google failed miserably. I was going from Los Alamos to Jemez and both insisted on taking me through the most direct routed. Which happened to be blocked by the Los Alamos National Laboratory Security gates.

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  6. ohgood

    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    I don't know if this is the right "Charlie's Creek" area or not...
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    but I've ridden a tiny bit of that area, ALL of which is beautiful, great riding.

    every time @jrou111 mentions going into the woods up there I'm like.... when?!?!
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  7. scfrank

    scfrank Old farts riding club.

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    The Wolf Mtn I’m talking about goes Charlies Creek to Tanasee Gap between Rosman NC
    Charles Creek goes from Rt 215 to Rt 281 northwest of Rosman NC. Lots of great riding in WNC. I do some dirt but can’t handle the rough stuff, especially on my GS.

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    Wolf Mtn Road is 1760, runs from Explorer Rd, which we call Charlies Creek, down to Tanasee Creek, also called Tanasee Gap. Charlies Creek Runs from Rt 215 to Rt. 281 all are excellent roads. This area is beautiful Riding. All of WNC is great. It's common for roads to change names from one end to the other. Also possible to find different roads, not connected, with the same name. Go Figure.
    Bigger view of this area.

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  8. worwig

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    I saw that squiggly line on my GPS years ago. Now anytime I am in the area, I ride Charles Creek. You have to be careful after a rain, because gravel washes down on the pavement. I have a friend in that area, near the Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute, that looks down on those roads. Love that area.
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  9. ohgood

    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    THAT is beautiful !

    Thanks for the info my man !

    Tagging @jrou111 and @FenceJumper09 ;-)
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  10. jrou111

    jrou111 Stair Climber

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    That's a whole different area that @scfrank is talking about, I've ridden through there a few times and there's some great riding around Rosman. Both paved and dirt :evil
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  11. scfrank

    scfrank Old farts riding club.

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    A google map view of Wolf Mtn road. Lot of Christmas tree farms in that area.

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  12. wheatfield

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    I am a novice at using tracks. Can anyone suggest an app for Samsung s6 thats will lead me up an off-road track where no cell service. I highly appreciate any guidance.
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  13. Shawnee Bill

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    Locus or Osmand. Osmand somewhat easier to learn, Locus has many really nice features so you have to take the time to learn about them. Spend the ~$6 each and get the 'pro' version of both.

    Or get a BMW 1200GS with Nav V and a wonder wheel, works even better. :y0!
    And only $25,000 and 600 lbs :photog
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  14. Shawnee Bill

    Shawnee Bill Long timer

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    That may sound a little facetious but I use both methods and they both work really well. Your Samsung will work great for what you want. But the BMW with wonder wheel lets you control the GPS with your left thumb without letting go of the bars. The phone apps almost require you to stop to change something on your display but when riding in the woods that usually isn't much of an issue.
    To use the wonder wheel control you have to be wrestling a 600 lb bike through the woods.

    And this goes back to the OP's original question, it's almost time to drop the dedicated GPS for a cell phone but there are still instances that a dedicated GPS has advantages. I use both sometimes.
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  15. ohgood

    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    I paried a Bluetooth mouse to my phone for screen control. even sitting on the couch, and asking the kids to toss a ball across my scope of vision I could tell it was way way way too distracting (the screen) to try and control it while moving on a motorcycle. that's just me, though, I can't drive and have a conversation with a passenger at the same time. I see other people do it (on a phone no less?) and it honestly perplexes me that they can. my brain can not work in that fashion.
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  16. Szepy

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    I'd put one more thing in:
    GPS signal receiving quality. I'm using Montana (mainly for hikings, motorbike usage, trail navigation for biking), an Edge520 (for bike sport activities) and having a rugged phone (CAT S60) for over 1,5 years I've started to think if I'd be able to replace my GPS with it or not.
    I'm using Locustmap - and I really love it very much. Fully customizeable (incl. text sizes on maps), great looking, tons of free maps that are at least the same quality or even better on trails here in Hungary than official local and Garmin maps. able to connect ANT+ devices - everything I could have asked for. Except for 2 thing:
    1. The GPS receiver still seems to be the weak side comparing to Garmin devices. Looses signal much too easily.
    2. Battery life. Yes, it's less problematic on a motorbike but still it looses water/dust resistance if the USB port is open.

    What's your experience with your Smartphone GPS signal quality? Any comparisons with Garmin tracks done "in the wild" (dense forests, deep valleys, etc.)? I'd be curious knowing which phone has the same quality receiver...
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  17. Shawnee Bill

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    Can't speak to signal quality between phone and Garmin but I get much better battery life with my phone. Using a Nomu phone as a dedicated gps I have used it non-stop at least 10 hours and still had plenty of battery life left. I've never had a Garmin last very long without being plugged in, that's maybe a couple of hours.
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  18. Szepy

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    Montana has very good battery time, even if it's display is always switched on - without backlight but still visible in most of the day - can take 10+ hours. My CAT has 3800mAh battery and I strongly doubt it could do more than 3-4 hours with a GPS app running.

    Tapatalkkal küldve az én S60 eszközömről
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  19. ohgood

    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    over the last few years of testing in deep canyons, valleys, lakes, I've tried to find a place that had poor reception and failed.

    the worst place I've found was deep in a canyon with high walls and water in the bottom.

    this is the accuracy for those points from worst to normal:
    6m 4m
    Screenshot_2017-11-26-15-31-46.png Screenshot_2017-11-26-15-32-09.png


    and what the track looks like
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    you can use the coordinates to see the terrain of the area. typically I see +/-3-4m while riding single track in heavy woods.

    the gamins I've compared to these phones take between two and twenty minutes, and rarely achieved +/-10m.

    my location settings are always set to "GPS only" on phones to save battery.

    the worst I've ever seen was north of a large lake with a steep hill composed of iron ore. the bounce in that area was easily +/- 15m , but using averaging I got it back down to +/-3m.

    I've tested a bunch trying to find failure points, there aren't many unless you get near multi path obstructions.
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  20. Szepy

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    Thanks, I'll do some more research in this topic - and I've turned my location service to GPS only now. I've just bought LocusMap recently so now I'll be able to test it comparing phone and Garmin tracks on my next trips.

    Tapatalkkal küldve az én S60 eszközömről
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