Is Mexico Safe?

Discussion in 'Americas' started by Arte, Feb 1, 2010.

  1. SkizzMan

    SkizzMan aka SkiddMark ;^)

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    Huevos Divorciados are served sunny-side-up with green sauce on one, red sauce on the other. Usually on tortillas Maiz like rancheros.
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  2. Turkeycreek

    Turkeycreek Gringo Viejo

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    Not a big thing here in Sonora.
  3. SkizzMan

    SkizzMan aka SkiddMark ;^)

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    So I came to Parras de la Fuente to chill for a few days and walk the town and, typical Mexico, I end up invited to a book signing event where several mayors and the governor spoke. Bought the book and all the authors wrote nice notes in it. Hobnobbed with the upper crust then joined SR and friend for dinner and drinks. Today was spent shooting vids of the enduro event and we’re now passing around the sotol and cooking steaks.

    Some vids coming...

    The governor of Coahuila

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  4. Animo

    Animo Been n00b awhile

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    We sure do make great hangover food.

    Huevos estrellados, egg sunny side up.

    Divorciados, two eggs sunny side up. One egg with green tomato sauce and the other egg with red tomato sauce.

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    I like my huevos..... Rancheros.

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    and..... 205'd by the SkizzMan!
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  5. Turkeycreek

    Turkeycreek Gringo Viejo

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    In 8 years no one has asked for divorciados here. Lots of Ranchero style but more salsa on top here.
  6. SkizzMan

    SkizzMan aka SkiddMark ;^)

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    One of my Spanish key words that pays big dividends is “crujiente”. As in, “Favor me da un orden de tocino buen crujiente.”

    Helps start the day off right.
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    Crujiente also works if you want french fries and don't like them soggy.
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  8. MAXVERT

    MAXVERT OG on da OC

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    In Huachinera tonight. I needed five hours to cover the 120+ miles from AP to the start of the pavement. Riding my 990 was a workout.
    This is a spectacular valley not to be missed.
    Ruta de la Sierra Alta.
    Heading South tomorrow.

    Max
  9. jimmex

    jimmex Guero con moto

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    One of my favorites. The Bavispe River valley is beautiful. Saludos.
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  10. eakins

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    I've always wondered about that route.
    Google maps shows it as a nice big road until you zoom in and see it's dirt on the North end.

    Looks like it's getting paved south too? Colonia Morelos?
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    near Agua Prieta, Sonora, Mexico
    https://goo.gl/maps/P7ZQCB7oeFH2

    The section from Moctezuma north to Huachinera looks like some twisty pave and I bet low traffic volume.

    I also see fresh road work north from 14 to Oputo.
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  11. eakins

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    Depending on how much of 14 gets paved this road could very well be a real gem of a northern Mexico / winter twisty paved road in the future. There are no larger cities along the way to create heavy traffic load and 17 is well established for truck traffic.

    Everyone asks me where to ride quality paved in the winter and this future road could be a key player in that game.

    Tom (TC) any local Intel on this OR any traction of a full state Sonora free zone like you talked about. If so Sonora could become a major Moto touring state that I could see us mapping in the future for US riders in the winter.
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  12. tricepilot

    tricepilot El Gran Payaso

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    Forget just Sonora. You should partner with Sjoerd and produce a Butler Maps Mexico Edition.

    Yeah I know, we’ve discussed it before. Target (paying) audience etc. But press on the idea to expand sales to Mexico riding clubs.

    On second thought, fageddaboutit

    Next time Sjoerd is at the casa we’ll make the idea work on a budget platform. The strawman already exists on paper and has been published in this thread. Just have to grade out and color the routes.
  13. VTbeemer

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    I rode this route several years ago. They were just building the new roadbed that heads straight out from AP. The rest was reasonably good dirt and some sandy arroyos. The remote ranches, mountains, river valleys and villages were spectacular with almost no traffic. There were a number of military checkpoints along the way (they always waved me through). Guessing this might be a “trade” route.
    Looking at the G Earth images it’s a bit sad to see the pavement. I can appreciate the progress for the masses. This woul d be a nice route for the mainstream.
    I also stayed in Huachinera. Had a memorable dinner and breakfast in a local lady’s kitchen around the corner from the hotel. No where else was open.

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    I was planning to take this route again on my upcoming trip. Will be interesting to see the changes.

    Dan

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  14. jimmex

    jimmex Guero con moto

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    That's the beginning of the epic Ruta de la Sierra Alta. The spicy part begins just south of Huachinera and goes over the Sierra El Gato to Mesa Tres Rios, then over more sierra to Mesa La Huracan and El Largo. Then you pick up some pavimiento to Madera where the route goes down through the Sirupa Canyon and the Region Protegida Tutuaca and eventually spits you out on Mex 16 around Tomichi.
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  15. Turkeycreek

    Turkeycreek Gringo Viejo

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    Bill,
    Expansion of the Sonora Free zone appears to be going no where. The locals believe the big money and the pols want to keep the free zone limited to the Puerta Peñasco and south to San Carlos where they own the big tourist properties. Who knows? When ever la gobernadora meets with any of the mayors along the valley it comes up. There is an economic development zone now for the Rio Sonora Valley and we talked to the consultants - they heard it from lots of people too so it's not dead yet.

    Road report for Northern Sonora
    All the wet crossing are very low or dry. As others reported the Rio Bacanuchi just north of Arizpe flows year round, is very low right now and is slick with algae. If you are riding 2-up, let your pillion walk across the foot bridge and get photos of you picking up your bike in the river.

    Son 089 south from Cananea to Mazocahui has construction on the north end, well north of Mututicachi (where the checkpoint was) All of the road north of Bacoachi is broken pavement and some detours. South of Bacoachi, through Banámichi to Mazocahui is great and a beautiful ride.

    Mex Hwy 14 from Mazcahui to Moctezuma is good with lots of twisties. A fair amount of traffic at times but worth it.
    Moctezuma north to AP on Mex 17 is pretty straight but in OK shape. Nacozari de Garcia and the copper mine there create some traffic.

    The road from just south of Esqueda on Mex 17 over to Son 089 at Bacoachi is a great 27 miles but there is construction.
    Son 54 from Magdalena de Kino at Mex 15 is a great ride on new pavement but the last 5 miles to Sinoquipe at Son 089 are broken pavement. Loos like construction is starting on that stretch.

    Son 117 south of Moctezuma to Sahuaripa is good. Nice sweepers and the Yaqi river bridge. South of Sahuaripa is good with lots of new pavement to Mex 16 at San Nicolas. South from there through Rosario and down to Obregon (Esperanza) and Mex 15 is reported as new pavement as well.
    Son Hwy 20 from Hermosillo to Mazatan, El Novio (ride up to the dam) and to Sahuaripa is a joy. New pavement and no bears (ask Chilejack, CoolerKing or Bisbonian about the bears)

    I have not been past Husabas in a long time. It is very rugged. Maxvert is the current expert.

    As bad as the roads in Sonora were 2 years ago they are really good right now or being worked on. Hwy 15 south of Nogales and well south is being 4 laned and is a slow mess.
    Mex 2 from Agua Prieta to Cananea and over the mountain to Imuris on Mex 15 has been reconstructed with 4 lanes, some 3 lanes with passing lanes in the mountains, and curve reduction. There is still construction and lots of truck traffic but it is great terrain.

    I will attempt the road from Arizpe to Bacanuchi to Cananea and report when I have full knobbies on the F650GS or maybe I'll try it on the TW200. I got 8 miles in 3 weeks ago but it was a lot of 6 to 8 inch silt - baby powder silt in lots of spots and to much for this old man on 80/20 tires. Or I may do a recon first in the Suburban. There were some really nasty cattle guards, too

    That's what I know and yes, the riding here is great
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    jimmex Guero con moto

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    If you can stand the gore and violence, read Cormac McCarthy's The Crossing. It is set mostly in this area.
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    Need a GPS for the cage especially in D.F. Our phones always freeze .What is a good one for the money?
  18. SkizzMan

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    Are you using a phone gps app with downloaded map database? No cell signal or wifi required so your phone should not be freezing up.
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    We will try that app this year.
  20. Kiko

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    Anyone who rides in CDMX has my respect. Off topic but somewhat interesting story,.. The wife and I were looking at Audi SUVs yesterday in Guad, the used ones are running in USD 40,000 and up. When I told the salesman I did not want to spend that much, he took me over to the corner of the lot and showed me a stunning 2014 model with only 40,000 miles for 14,000 USD. Skeptical, I asked the history and he said that after the original owner traded the car in, they had sold it two more times but each of the new owners returned the Audi after about a month to trade for another. What´s with that? Well when I opened the driver´s door it must have weighed 250 lbs, the original owner had the car armor plated and with bullet proof glass all around. I guess the two subsequent buyers were afraid they would be recognized so they traded. The other complaint was it got lousy gas mileage with the extra weight. I suggested they just changed the plates and repaint the car, but the dealer said it would sell easy in CDMX so they would move it there. Never a dull moment.
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