Is Mexico Safe?

Discussion in 'Americas' started by Arte, Feb 1, 2010.

  1. HWSNBN

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    Mexico is an astounding beautiful place where men are truly free and life is real. All the pasty white northerners think its a hell hole and don't come... more than ok with me. keep the fuck out!
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  2. TemeculaRider

    TemeculaRider Been here awhile

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    Perhaps new signature material? :evil
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  3. varna2win

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    In silicon valley where I make a living as a heavy equipment operator most of the GS bikes you see are set up kinda like yours only most of them don't see the dirt. Riding from San Jose to Santa Cruz is an adventure for these guys - about 25 miles of paved highway. I apologize to you & anyone else in here who use their GS's for what they where intended for . I can see you really enjoy your bike. Starbucks coffee is the shit's in my opinion though. I think this is my Final post in ADV - I fuck up to much. Good riding to you guy's !
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  4. TomTom63

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    Oh, c'mon varna2win. Stop pouting and come out and play again :beer. Dick size is not determined by post count. It's all opinions anyway...:dunno There are only a few things in life black & white. Most of it is gray.

    Maybe you should work on how you phrase your statements. This way you don't open yourself up to a virtual beating :thwak. Use the "I think, I believe..." form and don't generalize. Some folks just wait to jump on that (Napoleon complex - In my opinion :D)

    The fact that we are in the position to participate in Message Boards like these, is evidence that we are a bunch of "lucky shits" without real problems ( ...In my opinion :ken)
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  5. TomTom63

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    You know, if somebody gets a feeling of accomplishment and sense of adventure out of 25 miles of riding pavement - Good for them :thumb. I can tell you it costs a heck of lot less than hauling arse to Alaska... :dunno
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  6. TomTom63

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    See, you getting the hang of it... :thumb <input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><!--Session data--><input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden">
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  7. varna2win

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    Good point, you're right to tell you the truth that 25 mile ride is all I need to keep me sane .
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  8. DirtyDR650

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    I haven't been to Mexico for over 30 years... last time was in the late 70's, when everybody said it was "too dangerous".

    Oh wait... they're still saying that? :rofl

    Damn I miss it. The most friendly, genuinine, and generous people you'd ever find anywhere. I was continousy amazed and delighted by the way I was welcomed by complete strangers every day.

    I think it might be time for another trip south.

    Oh, btw... the folks who said it's "too dangerous" were the same folks whose door locks I could hear clicking as they zoomed past me on the side of the road with my old Norton. Poor, scared, nervous twitchy types driving Buicks. :lol3
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  9. Kiko

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    Just curious if the crews that are sent South of the border have any fluent Spanish speakers aboard? Also curious as to how much money the driver wanted? Don't doubt the story, just looking to fill in some blanks here,
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  10. TomTom63

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    I did a quick Baja-dash last year. Had a weekend to blow while I was in Mission Viejo, CA. Unfortunately, didn't get too far due to time constrains. It was a blast none the less...:ricky

    Had to go through 4 military check-points in Mexico. All the "soldier kids" were very nice and talkative.

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  11. Gordy

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    I used to think that the violence in Mex was over-blown by the media but my perception has changed a lot lately.

    In the last three years there have been 15,000 murders that they can attribute to the drug cartels. In Juarez, a city of 1.3 million there were 2,250 murders last year alone with a masacre of school kids last week the latest. The citizens are abandoning that city and it is becoming (if not already) one of the most dangerous cities in the world.
    I have read in this forum of all night gun battles in Botapillas. They are murdering police chiefs and officials in Palomas faster than they can be replaced. The entire country is corrupt from the bottom up.
    I'm sure that there are still plenty of safer places there, but why risk it? :dunno
    You can draw your own conclusions and take your own risks, but I'm not down with riding around a country with all that going on.
    Baja might be the only exception. It seems to be better with not much bad news coming out of there.

    http://www.krqe.com/dpp/news/crime/juarez-violence-claims-13-students
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  12. TomTom63

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    Well, statistics have their place, no question. But, what are we comparing against?

    And, maybe I am bias towards all Latin American countries (if I may use the term broadly :D). Maybe I feel a little different because I frequent that part of the world for business as well. In all my travels to Mexico, Central- and South America, I never had any bad experience (not to say it couldn't happen tomorrow...:dunno). Even in the late '80, when I traveled to El Salvador, I didn't feel unsafe.

    Of course, you don't move around like you do at home (depending on where that is :D). When locals tell you not to travel certain roads at night, you don't question that. When in Rome, ...

    I read State Department travel advisories. But, I rather depend on information from locals (especially in business). If they tell me its OK to come, I go. A lot of criminal activity is localized and not affecting an entire country. Unfortunately, that gets overlooked often or is presented in a distorted way.

    In the late '90, I was in Jakarta Indonesia, right between the time of the East Timor riots. I never saw any signs of what was going when I was in Jakarta. Trying to leave the country, I got ripped off $50 by a corrupt border official :bluduh. But, that comes with the territory and makes for good stories... :wink:
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  13. TemeculaRider

    TemeculaRider Been here awhile

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    So following your analogy of Juarez and not riding in Mexico because of drug hits going on there, since South Central LA is a killing field, should I then not ride in Wymoming? What about the Dakotas? Should I stay out of Montana? How about the Smokey Mountains? Are they unsafe too? I heard that Gary, Indiana has a high murder rate. So should I cancel my ride to Idaho this summer? Oh no! Now I'm worried! Maybe I shouldn't even leave the house this morning!!!

    Utter nonsense! Since South Africa has Great White Sharks, maybe I shouldn't swim in the Caribbean?
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  14. Gordy

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    Don't get me wrong. In my travels to Mex, I have met some of the best, most helpful people ever! :nod
    It is just changing a lot when Juarez is now being compared to Somalia or Baghdad. Why deal with that?
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  15. Gordy

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    the violence is not just in Juarez. check it out.
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    Risk is defined by how you perceive it
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  17. Kiko

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    It's been said at least a hundred times, the murders and kidnappings that are reported in Mexico are by far well planned and targeted. Seldom if ever are Americans targeted unless they were involved in some way.

    Some of the third hand reports you get on Advrider may be skewed as to the actual circumstances of the reported event because some reporting these crimes speak little or no Spanish so their comprehension of the event may be somewhat distorted.

    I suspect that some of the riders who find themselves in trouble here brought it upon themselves through their own stupidity or ignorance.
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  18. k7

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    Jeebus - here's your original comment:

    Not that it's a bad saying to ever hear - my mother-in-law says something simliar to me everytime I see her but someone simply asked about your experiences in Mexico. So far, you've ducked that one. Care to take another swing? It's a rather simple question.

    So far, most of the others who have responded are travelers that I know for a fact who have traveled to Mexico and beyond. Can we add your name to the list? It's actually a pretty cool list - except for LR...we've asked for him to return his secret decoder ring. :evil
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  19. evilwerkz

    evilwerkz Time to ride....

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    well, being mexican ( but not looking like one ), has led to some very interesting conclusions on my part, i travel up and down mexico, 10 days ago i was in Matamoros, border town with Brownsville, texas......saw nothing too unusual, but then again, we where not putting ourselves in a dangerous place like all nigth titty bars and stuff as such.....

    when i ask around, people tell me the same...drugs cartels versus corrupted cops.....and some inocent by standers

    military post ask me the same....where are you going and why, any guns with you ? a polite search at the most, some chat with them....and all is good...i've realized that, maybe lady luck, is with me, because i'm a dum white boys who feras no evil, sees no evil, not even when i was down at San Salvador among maras.....it all depends on your senses and gut, tell you the truth, but if you get shoot or raped by a big monkey in the forest, well, dude, you where just unlucky in my eyes :lol3

    no fear, live your life, with no fear whatsoever, that's my moto and i'm riding anywhere....well, as far as my little money can take me :D
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  20. wazzuFreddo

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    Planing a 3 week trip down to San Luis Potosi this December. Too bad it is going to be in the truck and not on the bike. :cry
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