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Discussion in 'Americas' started by Arte, Feb 1, 2010.
Awesome, Mike Mike is the man. I second his comments. Chingo is a punk.
Not one of us would deny there are major problems in Mexico.
That said, there are no bullets zipping around when you step out of the house (at least not where I am or any other member here as far as I can tell)
You have an image like it's 80's Beirut on a bad day. That is VERY wrong, and that's all us pro-mexico posters are trying to point out.
None of us have said you shouldn't be careful. But a visit to Mexico will NOT automatically end in murder or kidnapping. The people who say it will are the only ones we are speaking out against.
Yes, certain places in the rest of the world are dangerous. You don't go there and stay safe. Use the same precautions in Mexico and you'll be fine. Just cancel the booking at the Juarez Hilton.
By the way, lay off the insults. We live here. We have the right to defend the place and respond to posters who only know Mexico from the oh-so-unbiased and thorough US media.
Looks like this A hole will be going on my ignore list also.
Hombre, do us all a favor and crawl back into your fox hole with your boyfriend Chingo.
P.S. your spelling sucks.
This is very well spoken and logical.
Don't know how many times the point has been made that travel to Mexico has risks and that the individual needs to make a decision for himself/herself whether to go or not.
Don't know how many tmes it needs to be said that just because one rider takes a look at the big picture and decides to go and another takes a stance that its too dangerous for him (or her) and decides not to go, boths sides have made the correct individual decision.
It is as equally wrong to take a look at Mexico and decide for others that it is on the one had both completely safe or on the other hand completley dangerous.
Read the warnings, watch the news, read the ride reports, and decide for yourself.
Obviously we have regulars here who go to Mexico consistently. What they are saying is they have made the risk decision for themselves and decided to go. They are not telling anyone else what risk decision to make.
If some think Mexico is a "war zone" and decide not to go, that's fine. But it is equally wrong for them to post here in blanket format that the whole country is a "death zone". That's only their viewpoint, and its a foul to attempt to force others to adopt that stance, as is attempting to say Mexico is completley safe is also a foul.
For the 1,000th time, travel to Mexico like any destination involves risk. Mexico, because of the drug violence, can involve increased risk. To some, that risk is off the charts. To others, its manageable. Make a decision to go or stay home, but don't come to the IMS thread and make a decision for others, or paint Mexico with a broad brush one way or the other.
Well said. Make this a sticky!
And James, don't forget La Gloria Ice House on Monday at 7. I'm buying you a beer or three.
You can look me in the eye then and give me your answer.
Geez Trice! Unquote the poop!
There's enough crap in this thread already.....
Unfortunately, I had to quote it - for posterity - just so it can't be deleted. For reasons that should be obvious.
There's a couple regulars on this list that stated they had bodies dumped down the street from where they live, and have had bullets zipping around their relatives houses. And the story that bikers aren't targeted is starting to fade away as more people report being targeted, those bullets that hit the bikes of that last group could have just as well hit and killed someone, then it would be totally over..... It's only a matter of time before it happens.
I've been to Mexico, I love it there and never met a bad person, I love the food and culture, I spent about $18000usd setting up a hack rig to ride down there with no time limits, but for me, risk assessment, I have it on hold for now.
The only other places on the planet that have the type of violence that is going on in Mexico is Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan. Somalia could be on that list as well. It's a damn shame but that is what the number of dead, the atrocities, pictures and videos prove out. Saying that does not and is not meant to disrespect your country or the "good" people of your country, it's just what is happening there for real. For a guy to ride down there that doesn't know the place or be fluent in the language, it is kinda daunting.
As far as you being incensed about perceived insults of country, the way you guys shit on the U.S. and now France, I'll just take what you say with a grain of salt..................
As far as the U.S. Media, I'm with you there, they are a joke, there hasn't been any competent news media here in a long time, if there ever was? We get fed a lot of propaganda here!!
At the risk of feeding the troll:
No, I don't ride to the northern states, but that's because I personally don't need to. There's plenty to see between here and Cuautla. I'll leave the comments about the border towns and the routes south to others who have more experience.
Yes, those GSers were shot at, and it looks like the lady had a good excuse for trying to get away. However, the guy who was actually robbed lost a little money and was allowed to go on his merry way. That's typically the worst that will happen.
Wave bunches of $50's around in a bad neighborhood and you'll get what you deserve.
Whatever you say you still cannot point to a single incident of Narcos killing or kidnapping tourists. From what my native friends tell me, they don't want the hassle. Prove that it happens or shut up and stop scare mongering.
By the way, I'm going to Taxco tomorrow. If I get kidnapped, beheaded or filled with 7.62, I'll be sure to stop back here and tell everyone you were right.
Your comment about not riding the Northern states is interesting. For those of us that live north of the Rio Grande ( that's most of us), the only way to get to the middle or the southern states is to ride the northern states; otherwise we wouldn't get there at all, unless we fly.
Planning to spend the first week of July riding through Tamaulipas to (hopefully) Veracruz then west to (maybe) Villa Bernal then back home.
Will update here on security issues, tacos ricos, Indio beer, and all things México.
I'm jealous. I like Veracruz and I can't get Indio in Mississippi.
Heading down around the same time....same route but stopping in Cd. Victoria for a few days b4 Veracruz.
I live about 600 miles south of the border. I have no reason to head up there, as I have a lot to see down here!
Eventually I will, without doubt. When I do I will pick my routes and areas carefully, and probably find someone to ride with who knows the region better than I do.
As we keep saying, it's also about mitigating risk. The northern border states are riskier to ride in than down here, so until I have seen all there to see in the South, I probably won't go there.
If you want to get to the safest parts of Mexico, you have to find a way south. If you feel it's too risky, you shouldn't do it. That is your risk management process.
I was going to buy a bike in the US last year and ride down. If you check my first ever post you'll see I went looking for advice and a group to ride with. In the end I went to Canada on a contract, and then discovered I couldn't return to the USA (visa issues) so I had to buy here instead.
Anyway, don't pay any attention to me when it comes to the north. Follow the advice of the guys that live there (and certainly not people living in Europe)
I didn't say I have a problem with the risk (I don't). I was just making the point that the majority here can't avoid the north if we are going to ride in Mexico.
Chango/Hombre have been given a permanent vacation, though I suspect he'll try again with a new fake n00b.
We apologize for the delayed action but the Trip Planning mods are by and large retired from modding and don't get around here much anymore.
I will clean up the rest of his posts and move them to Head Explody later tonight after I get home and can access a real computer.
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