Is Mexico Safe?

Discussion in 'Americas' started by Arte, Feb 1, 2010.

  1. MikeMike

    MikeMike Long timer

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    A note on health care.
    Being Canadian, I know the Canadian system, particularly the Ontario system, fairly well.
    Like Bob Loblaw said, it is not free. In fact, it is a hidden cost to business and is not universally available, you have to qualify for it. Bob gives the BC viewpoint, which is for "British Columbia" and not the chronological designation, I think. LOL!

    It also sucks scissors for people unlucky enough to live in some rural areas and even some cities. The level and quality of care varies wildly, wait times are very long, and way too many cases are decided by bureaucracy than anything remotely resembling compassion.

    In Mexico, it is widely known that if you have to rely on the Seguro Social public health care here in Mexico, you will likely suffer infections, secondary illnesses, or you will die. Socialized medicine can work fairly well in countries with high taxation rates and low population rates. How it will work in the USA with 300 million citizens and another 30 million illegal aliens and with about half the population not paying income tax, is beyond my comprehension. The USA is not Sweden (a much healthier population overall and a very high tax rate) nor is it Spain (who are already in deep doo doo with unemployment amongst young people at about 30% and a simmering fiscal crisis).
    The British system looked wonderful in the Olympics opening ceremony where it was depicted as Florence Nightengale meets West End theatre, but the reality is something different.

    If you are poor and it is all you have, you will be forced to rely upon it. The best way to make socialized medicine work is to insist the politicians actually use the system for themselves and their families. Don't let them use any other private healthcare. How good is socialized medicine when, for example here in Mexico, the politicians have the right to their choice of PRIVATE healthcare paid for with taxpayer's money for themselves and their families guaranteed for them by law as a job perk?:deal

    I've got a couple of really good stories about socialized medicine that easily rival the $100 band aid tales of woe regarding greedy private hospitals. Just a word of caution to our American brothers and sisters, be careful what you wish for!

    Oyster, we can discuss this some time over a beer or three, just don't hold my TB test against me, I always test positive.
  2. Turkeycreek

    Turkeycreek Gringo Viejo

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    Every year it amazes me. The oppressive heat and e humidity of the Sonoran Desert in monsoon season - early August to mid September breaks right around Dia de Independencia on Sept 16. This morning was fantastic, mid 60s, clear blue sky and no humidity. August is for riding in Colorado, September through June is for riding here in Sonora.
  3. Animo

    Animo Beastly n00b

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    Beautiful pictures Mike, stunning :thumb
  4. MikeMike

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    Some pics in honor of old haciendas and things. Every day is a good day to ride, especially in Mexico.

    First, whenever you come to a fork in the road, try to avoid the tree.

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    Meet the Flintstones!

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    Stop and smell the cactus, one of the only ways you know what season it is.

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    If one door is closed...

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    ...just find an open one...

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    ...or one that is missing altogether!

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    Stop and take a look through a window...

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    or two.

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    No narcos, but a world of colors.
  5. rockymountainoyster

    rockymountainoyster Been here awhile

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    MikeMike,

    What state/region is that and is there somewhere I can get maps?

    MikeMike: "Oyster, we can discuss this some time over a beer or three, just don't hold my TB test against me, I always test positive." Lucky you.. can't legally work in a restaurant bar.:evil Will gladly solve the North American health care dysfunction with you over a couple of kegs.
  6. rockymountainoyster

    rockymountainoyster Been here awhile

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    Who operates that telescope? That is what observatory is it associated with and where do they report/post their data? I have more than a passing interest in Astronomy and astronomical observaties. See: Cosmos and The Astronomers. Both PBS series'
  7. MikeMike

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    Oyster, that's the border between Veracruz and Puebla on the Trans volcanic axis. The region extends from the geo thermic fields of Los Humeros, towards El Cofre de Perote, and then down towards El Pico de Orizaba. Access is a breeze from all points, and if you connect the points correctly, based on the kind of day it is, you always have an E-ticket ride. PM me if you want some map details. This is an area of Mexico that I feel really lucky I can explore whenever I want. It is roughly an hour and half to two hours from Veracruz, easy fun riding, and then you get into the good stuff. It is quicker from Xalap or Perote, and especially from Cordoba/Orizaba. It is about 200kms or so from Puebla, an easy ride from west to east across the Serdan high plain. It is often drier than the proverbial popcorn fart, and it is hit or miss for clouds. If you get it on a very foggy day, your senses will get really sharp and really fast!:eek1

    I've been preaching and yapping about how riders have to get off the usual coast highway route #180 and get into the mountains starting up around Teziutlan, Puebla and then take two days to get to Tehuacan, Puebla weaving across the state lines as necessary. That takes you through 5 distinct mountain ranges, all different in feel, and you'll be riding above 4,000 meters if you want. Not much traffic, food is hit or miss, same for accomodations, but if you want to see Mexico in a slightly different way, this is a good place to start. Locally, very few riders here venture into these parts. It is a strange phenomenon that the riding done in these parts is not done by local riders, it is either resident gringos or maybe a rider from another state or another country. You'll like it and when you get it when it's good as far as clear skies and comfortable temps, you'll be really enjoying yourself.
  8. MikeMike

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    The Large Millimeter Telescope Project is a joint venture between the Mexican federal government and the University of Massachusetts:

    http://www.lmtgtm.org/site.html

    The site is quite unique, it is the highest maintained road in North America and also has the highest tree. All of which is likely open to debate with anyone from Colorado ha,ha!
  9. rockymountainoyster

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    Highly possible as the tree line is higher there than here in SW Colorado. The trees on the road up to Imogene Pass stop abruptly at 11,500 according to my GPS (though I think that GPS altimeters generally suck) What is the altitude of the telescope? I will check out the link you sent. On my last trip down into Southern NM I stopped at the Very Large Array on the Plains of San Agustin west of Socorro. I had filmed part of Cosmos there back in 1979 before it was completed... to see it finished was incredible. The radio pix they have taken from there are amazing. They of course have a small amount of telescope time dedicated to detecting LGM's so far no luck. Maybe we are alone! Or maybe they are too smart to let us know they are there. They see how we treat aliens (See Trice, I brought it back to IMS!)
  10. jimmex

    jimmex Guero con moto

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    Mike, Your photos are incredible! I can't wait to get back down there.
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  12. Turkeycreek

    Turkeycreek Gringo Viejo

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    If you feel better riding to Mexico with a group and you want to learn how to take and produce better videos then check this thread. Yes, it is at my hotel so I have a stake but Chuck Feil is a great photog and you will learn a lot and have a great time

    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=809108

    I have also offered to meet riders at the border in Bisbee or Douglas, get the paperwork done and escort them to my hotel for an overnight before they head out. I like having motorcyclists here and I want to improve tourism in the entire region. It's a "twist my arm" type of offer.
  13. MikeMike

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    Thanks, Jimmy. You know how it is down here, it makes taking pictures very easy, the landscape and architecture are doing all the heavy lifting, we're just along for the ride.:clap I can show you that route, in fact, it connects really easily with the "Jimmy" route. At the town, Guadalupe Victoria, Puebla, where we split up and you headed for central Mex, you go left and follow the old haciendas on the extreme edge of the Serdan high plain and then you head in directly towards the skirts of la Cerra Negra with the telescope and El Pico de Orizaba. Real old school wandering back in there, very good riding. Makes for an early day but it includes that woodfire cooked breakfast stop. If you are heading to Oaxaca, you can also overnight in Cordoba/Orizaba and then the next day I can ride over and show you the route that connects to Tehuacan, Puebla below Xoxocotla, Veracruz where I took that picture of you looking at the rock formation. That is a very interesting ride.

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    C'mon back down, the Mystery Rider will be escaping from the Dark Continent and back here in a couple of weeks or so.
    :freaky Maybe you, JD, and Trice can swing through, try to time it with the Mystery Rider's Africa trips. Jorge, the other guy who was with us, recently lost his bike in a fire. Hopefully, he'll be back riding as soon as the insurance claim gets figured out.

    If you guys, or anyone, are dropping down from the north via the #180 a very good route is to get to Tampico, or maybe Poza Rica if you hustle, the first day, then on the second day you can head to Papantla for a quick look at the El Tajin ruins, then over to Martinez de la Torre and up that really good road to Teziutlan, Puebla (a 16th century city) and then over to Perote, Veracruz and overnight there or overnight in Teziutlan and head to Perote for breakfast. I can meet you there and then do the old road from north to south from Perote to Ixhuacan de los Reyes and then pick up the "Jimmy ride" over the mountain and down into Guadalupe Victoria and pick up that old hacienda route and the mountain ride to Cordoba/Orizaba and overnight there. The next day, I can ride over from Veracruz and then take you down through Soledad Atzompa to Xoxocotla to Tehuipango (all in Veracruz) and then head over the state line into Puebla and from Azumbilla, Puebla you can ride south to Tehuacan, Puebla and on to Oaxaca. You'll be riding a nice sized chunk of the trans-Mexican volcanic route. This route is downright therapeutic!
  14. AdventurePoser

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    Mike, am enjoying your photography!

    Steve in So Cal
  15. MikeMike

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    C'mon through, Steve, bring your camera and your appetite.
    Some very good food here. Ask Trice about the seafood.:eek1
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    I see they open LA TERRAZA that's nice ...
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    Big prison break near Piedras Negras. Maybe we should have a roll call to see if any of the regulars here need help getting back across the border ;)
  18. Turkeycreek

    Turkeycreek Gringo Viejo

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    Since the new town and city administrations were just inaugurated on Sunday, this is a great time for a break out. The cops and the prison guards likely were replaced by political cronies of the new administrations and they needed severance pay. The new guys probably have to figure out which end of their guns the bullets go in. The escapees are long gone, some will be recaptured because they are not smart and will go home or to their girl friends but most won't.
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    Whatcha got that needs shootin'?
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    What's your preference? Two legged or four legged?