Is Mexico Safe?

Discussion in 'Americas' started by Arte, Feb 1, 2010.

  1. Sjoerd Bakker

    Sjoerd Bakker Long timer

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    Forget about any Holiday Inn as being cheap !
    Go to. 69 Avenida Republica de Uruguay. There just ride your bike in through the huge
    front portal of Hotel Montecarlo . You will get a nice room for $25 or less
    Secure parking garage just after you ride past the reception desk.
    You will be only 2 blocks SW of the ZOCALO and on a quiet street of stores, offices and other
    hotels in the Centro Historico and tourist district with regular police surveillance.
    Quite safe area to go walking about . Visit the upper deck of the Torre Latino for a
    great view
    (if you already booked in at a snooty $$$$. hotel just see how much you
    overpaid..... then get a refund and move to my favorite hotel 😉)
  2. MikeMike

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    It's always all about the toilet seat!:eek1
  3. Sjoerd Bakker

    Sjoerd Bakker Long timer

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    What IS the big deal about getting crap over the internet? All the messing around
    with couriers is just needless complexity , a false sense of importance and
    no real time saver since you are taking days to accomplish
    something which can be done in minutes in person when at the border.
    What if the courier service messes up and you have to delay ?
    If you are going to La Paz you can do all this stuff at the ferry terminal
    either a day before you sail when relaxing or on actual day of departure of
    your ferry , which might make you feel rushed .
    A note about getting your tourist card. . DO NOT VOLUNTEER NEEDLESS INFORMATION.
    If you happen to be on a long trip which does eventually include a visit to
    Central America do NOT reveal that to Mexican Migracion.
    You are going to visit Mexico! Give them ANY Mexican destination.
    If you blab that you are going to Central America chances are that they
    will class you as TRANSITO and give you a 30 day Trasit Permit
    The normal Tourist Card costs the same but is valid for 180 days which gives
    you more room to roam or use for several visits from the USA
    If you were planning on a month and more of Mexican wandering before
    CA you shot yourself in the foot,so to speak .
    . The same applies when entering Mexico from the south-- hush up ! They do not
    need to know every detail of your plans .
  4. BobLoblaw

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    Toilet seat at the Hotel Montecarlo. Doubles as a thighmaster and shower


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  5. Sjoerd Bakker

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    No , actually , I cannot recall having ever seen one of the
    "Turkish" squatter toilets in Mexico .really.
    I am familiar with the squatters from visits to campgrounds in various parts of Europe and Morocco.
    The toilets in Hotel Montecarlo in Mexico DF are just as good as in the USA with water dumper and a good seat.
    THe Mexican solution to broken toilet seats is really very good- they produce new porcelain toilets which are cast with slightly smaller bowl tops and smooth rounded rims . This produces a very comfortable "interface" :rofl and you can "download " in comfort , without danger of falling in. These new bowls also remove the problem of ignoramuses ripping the seats off. Certainly they are much more hygenic and easier to keep clean than having the US style flip up seat with cracks and nail holes and mounting hardware. The absolute most stupid feature in US toilets is padded toilet seats.
    The squatters are really a good solution , if the ignorant morons insist on missing the target it is a simple matter
    of just hosing the entire booth down. They would however be a problem for somebody with bad knees or hips and
    can not squattttttttttt

    Hotel Montecarlo is really a very nice classy hotel from earlier decades used by business travellers and movie stars and is still a very good well maintained business. It is just that the jet set and the big corporate bidniz travellers have set their sights on the new hotels in other newly upscale parts of town to show off their wealth
    .You can see a picture of the hotel just by getting on googlemaps.com and typing in the name and adress and clicking on the image at left to bring up the street scene and then pan around it. Some cretin has just tagged the front stucco with a spray can but that means nothing .
    You can actually move down the street tyo the east a few doors and see that the Mexican Stock Exchange is on the other side of the street (Bolsa De Valores)
  6. BobLoblaw

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    So, the secure parking is NOT in the lot next door but actually in the hotel lobby?.

    The DF is on my route this year as well as some high altitude mushroom picking and sheep chasing with MikeMike and the Mystery Rider

    Your considerable knowledge of toilets and toilet seats has inspired me to make toilet seats the theme of my MX trip this year. Pictures to follow :D
  7. Turkeycreek

    Turkeycreek Gringo Viejo

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    I'll agree with Sjoerd Bakker's comment. Don't do the internet thing. If your bike is stolen or wrecked between the time you do the online thing and get to the border you might have to jump through major hoops get your deposit back and be able to get a new permit. The risk of this is quite small but as Sjoerd Bakker says, it is so easy either when you enter Mexico or In La Paz. I crossed at Mexicali 3 years ago. Simple, just cross at the truck gate, well to the east of the downtown gate. There was no Banjercito downtown 3 years ago.

    There is good general info here on my website though most of it is specific to crossing into Sonora. Bien Viaje
    http://www.losarcossonora.com/index.php/thehotel/maps/attheborder
  8. jimmex

    jimmex Guero con moto

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    OK so its not that cheap; I've walked by that place on Calle Uruguay on the way to Danubio and I'll have to try it.
  9. tricepilot

    tricepilot El Gran Payaso

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    Fast and reliable.

    Choose whatever method floats your boat, but I've had nothing but complete success with TVIPs ordered online, and will continue to get them that way.

    As to the other comment above about possibly wrecking your bike when you've already obtained your TVIP online, well, people who sit there and worry about that kind of thing aren't going to head for the border anyway.
  10. tricepilot

    tricepilot El Gran Payaso

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    To the comments about always finding the cheap accommodations at every turn: its fun and noble to be able to travel on the cheap, but sometimes a nice place is worth the expense.

    Jimmex suggested the Hotel Santa Fe in Puerto Escondido and I'm glad he did. We could have found any number of cheaper places but that locale was a true treat and IMHO worth the money.

    Yes, absolutely there is a way to travel Mexico and leave your tent at home and make virtually every night's stay safe, comfortable and serviceable. It is nice to spend some extra cash IMHO only now and then to crank it up a few notches. The good thing is that there are usually always choices from A to Z and its up to you how you want to travel.
  11. Turkeycreek

    Turkeycreek Gringo Viejo

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    Ok Trice, It works for you and many others but maybe not everyone. I just used the previous examples because my friend rolled his truck just north of the border on the way down last year and had a wonderful paper chase experience lasting 6 months to get it clear. So other possibilities, if you boss cancels your vacation, you get sick, you significant other needs you at home or your gerbil needs a hysterectomy: You can't go. But now you still have to get the bike to the border to clear the permit. The Banjercito folks have to see it and get a photo of the VIN. I don't know about DCstrom but if you are not a man of leisure and fully in control of your time like me, :rofl, this could be a real hassle. Sh*t happens to all of us and even if bikes don't get wrecked, sometimes plans do.
  12. tricepilot

    tricepilot El Gran Payaso

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    If one wanted to begin to imagine all the things that could go wrong, might as well get several bottles of merlot, get with friends who think the same way, and make a party out of it.
  13. BobLoblaw

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    Shit does happen. Last year at Allende I had a major seniors moment and failed to get my credit card PIN correct three times in a row. Lock out :eek1:cry

    Fortunately I had $400US cash or else I would have been delayed for some time. The year before I got my TVIP online. Took three days from Mexico City to Canada :thumb


    PS I'll take and some memory lessons and continue getting my TVIP at the border
  14. Turkeycreek

    Turkeycreek Gringo Viejo

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    That's certainly not the point Trice. I feel that people need to be aware of the possibility because it could bite them. We talk on this thread about mitigating risk by knowing the facts about Mexico. I doubt many people realize that this anomaly in the TVIP process exists. But I'm always up for a good bottle of Merlot or better, some of the local home brew Bacanora. When you're in Sonora, it's on me.
  15. acejones

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    If I recall correctly; you have 180 days to clear the TVIP. I will agree that shit can happen, but you might be able to make it unhappen is six months.
  16. Turkeycreek

    Turkeycreek Gringo Viejo

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    Ok all of you are right, there is nothing that can cause a problem and ruin a trip and having this bit of info is not important. But just to be provocative, how many of you knew this quirk in the system even existed. I didn't until 6 months ago. If you want to argue about something else now, fell free.

    But If you want to help me provide arguments to the Governor of Sonora and our Senators to make all of Sonora TVIP free, PM me.
  17. tricepilot

    tricepilot El Gran Payaso

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    Sonora Governor Guillermo Padrés Elias was at one time the biggest Bancanora aficionado around :freaky
  18. SkizzMan

    SkizzMan There, that's it

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    A hotel that I can strongly recommend just off the Zocalo is the Hotel Catedral (www.hotelcatedral.com). Been using this one going back 10 years and have never regretted it. Rooms start at $54 and there's secure underground parking. Restaurant is really good and concierge services are useful for getting tix to the Ballet Folkorico, etc. Located on Donceles immediately north of the Catedral Nacional it's an excellent location for walking El Centro. Get either the King Suite or double twin room on the top floor (7th?) south side so you can enjoy the rooftop balcony and view of the catedral. And no bed bugs like the Montecarlo. :lol3
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    SkizzMan There, that's it

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    If you want a real deal on a luxury hotel on the Zocalo then check out the Gran Hotel just south of the Holiday Inn (http://www.granhoteldelaciudaddemexico.com.mx). They're running some specials right now from $115 USD/night. Stayed here in '74 and it's been completely restored since. A very special place.
  20. TRAVELGUY

    TRAVELGUY Old Traveler

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    Having ridden 20K miles in Central America during the past seven years I have always felt safe but have had some questions arise from a friend and my riding buddy about a up coming trip to western Mexico. Planning on crossing the border at Presidio and going thru Chihuahua on our way to Creel and then on down to the ferry at Los Nochis for a boat ride to La Paz. Seems most people ride Baja south and then ferry to Matalzan but I have not read anything, cost/duration/etc about the Los Nochis to La Paz ferry. Any information about that ferry will be appreciated. I have traveled a lot of miles in eastern Mexico but haven't been in the western half at all so any information about the Chihuahua/Creel/Los Nochis areas will be appreciated. Looking forward to see Copper Canyon and how Baja has changed in the forty years since I have been there.

    Thanks;

    TravelGuy